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foreign how is everybody doing thanks

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for being patient I was gonna go early

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and I was gonna explain some of

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bill bankston's story on my own and I

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decided you know what let's have Bill do

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that so that's why I didn't go earlier I

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mean bill was scheduled for now so you

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didn't miss anything

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and I am going to bring him in in a few

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I met so I found out about his work a

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few years ago four or five years ago I

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was working in Houston and somebody I

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worked with came up to me and said hey

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you know about Bill Bengston uh he does

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healing of mice and manifesting I'm like

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no I if this guy's I was arrogant I'm

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like if this guy is somebody I need to

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know I would have known about it she's

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like check this out so I check it out

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this was Grace in Houston hopefully

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she's watching and I checked it out I'm

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like oh my God this guy's exactly what

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I've been looking for this is the

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skeptic I have always wanted and that's

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Bill Bankston

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and I'm going to bring bill in

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let me give it one more minute

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I read both of his books or on audio

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which I have in the links you guys need

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to read

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excellent excellent it's some of the

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most important research and I've said it

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before

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more important than UFOs because there's

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data and there's data for UFOs obviously

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but most of the data alleged data is

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hidden you know in government classified

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programs and most of the data is

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anecdotal with Bill Bankston it's not

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anecdotal there is actual laboratory

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and I'm going to bring bill in right now

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and hopefully you guys will share this

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interview as far and wide as possible

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and I'm gonna bring bill in

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we just get rid of one thing bill

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thank you so much for being here I've

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been waiting with you for a long time

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pleasure

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I'm gonna start out and just tell me

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um I have a PhD with an emphasis on

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research methods and statistics

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um fundamentally a researcher though I

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spent quite a number of years being a

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professor

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that's the short version

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and did you have any interest in any of

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this growing up like what kind of child

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were you growing up and where did you

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um which is on the border of Nassau and

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queens it's really really close I could

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throw a rock and hit Nassau

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um did I have an interest I mean casual

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but nothing nothing crazy I I was

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familiar with some of the popular

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literature

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um uh you know I've read anecdote

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primarily as you mentioned anecdotes you

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hear people telling stories and here's

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their story and all that but I don't um

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but I didn't have any professional

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background uh towards in the early 1970s

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parapsychology uh just out of curiosity

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literature and it was an eye-opener you

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know because people talk about stuff

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didn't know really the kind of uh

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empirical work that had been done

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already and so I was introduced for

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example uh in that course it was it was

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incredible healing work of Bernard grad

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who I think is the granddaddy of all

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Haley research

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um and when I when I came across grad

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stuff it just it really opened my eyes

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University in the medical school and

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Department of oncology who did

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conventional kinds of biological studies

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growing up you know a curiosity about

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this and that because I'm a curious

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person uh but but nothing serious until

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probably the early 1970s yeah and I had

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never heard of Brad until I saw you

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speak about him and for folks who don't

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know there is a an article on Bill's

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website about the great grad

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metaphysical churches where we did

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healing and things like that and and to

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be honest with you I thought it was

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nonsense I never saw any experiments I

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dabbled in reading about it I'm like you

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know what there's no evidence for this

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and then I stumbled upon your work I'm

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like there is evidence for this so tell

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1970s I don't remember the year when you

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finally when you first met

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Ben marich and what were you doing at

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that time I was doing what what normally

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you do I was a lifeguard

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to being a professor so I could avoid

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working so I've never actually had a job

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this to that and and I had met him while

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1971. I'm gonna make that up it was

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um and he was he was a

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remember the pool and and I had heard

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psychic I had never met a psychic there

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was a psychic uh who was a member of the

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pool and I said I'd like to meet this

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psychic guy and so that's how I was

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asked him about his psychic stuff he was

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probably in his late 40s at the time and

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he had told me that he had just

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discovered eight months previously that

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he was psychic

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he said uh I can do reading I can't what

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we would call psychometry uh and I said

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take out for a ride see what happens so

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I handed him my wallet and I said hold

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the wallet and see what you get and he

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started to tell some stuff and I just

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said uh this is crazy stuff this is

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crazy stuff the stuff he was talking

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about was real uh and and and so it

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became it kind of instigated my rabbit

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curiosity to see if I could skeptically

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make this guy go away

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so he here's a guy who can do readings

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and you give him psychometric things and

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he holds him and he gets Impressions

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let's see if we can do it under

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systematic conditions and and the the

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simple reality is I couldn't be

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this and intuition but I don't think out

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guy couldn't heal at the time or didn't

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know he could heal so he had just

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discovered uh that he was psychic you

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know and he was wandering around

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to him and I said well let me let me see

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very early age of double-blind studies

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uh whereas uh he was doing medical

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diagnoses of people in the hospital that

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he had never met and I could compare to

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the actual medical records probably

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against the law now but at the time this

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probably against the law then too but at

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the time we weren't caught and I'm sure

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the statute of limitations is over uh

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patient signature we didn't know who it

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envelopes I wouldn't know what it was

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diagnosis right

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one point because I thought he had

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missed one so I could go out and call

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him a loser but it turns out it was a

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misdiagnosis on the part of the hospital

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hospital got discharged came back with

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um and I couldn't couldn't make the

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effect go away in all the work you've

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done over the years is he probably is he

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the most impressive intuitive psychic

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you've ever worked with or come across I

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his late 40s at the time and he had only

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done it eight you know eight months

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earlier you know I I don't know what the

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rest of his life was really like you

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know again you start collecting

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anecdotes and sometimes you're not sure

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what to do with it or sometimes it

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reinforces your belief and all that I'm

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to do things that are you know like

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here's how we do it you know and and so

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he's got to be up there you know I I

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don't have a psychic meter all right

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this guy was seriously impressive and

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I'm a car character

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um but I I couldn't beat this guy

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and so your back is hurting you're

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swimming talk about your swimming and

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how it affected your back affected your

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swimming and how Ben Benjamin Benjamin

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mayrick right that's his name Bennett

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college scholarship and and all of this

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um and I was in pain most of the time I

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had a bad back you know a lot of people

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have lower back pain but I was a

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butterflyer and it's not good for a

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butterfly to have a bad pack or a week

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back after about 100 meters it just

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wasn't working anymore

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um and so I I spent a good chunk of my

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time trying to be in a position that I

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wasn't in pain you know I mean you've

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seen people in pain and they're trying

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um I I was the first healing this guy

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ever did we were sitting in someone's

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kitchen uh and I was telling him about

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uh he was telling me about readings that

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he had recently done as an anecdote and

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he he was describing uh what some what

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happened in some of his readings if he

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in physical pain or they had some

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sickness

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reported to him and then eventually

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reading they didn't have to be present

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but they would have some health benefit

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from it and so people who were in pain

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started to have pain reduced and all of

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that he wasn't trying to do that he was

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just doing readings

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uh but in the readings there were

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physical effects and and so I who was in

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pain at the time and spent most of the

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day in pain said you know what an idiot

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asked this guy for a healing so I said

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you know schmuck do this fix my back and

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he said how and I said I don't know put

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your hands on my back so I went and I

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leaned over a kitchen table and I put it

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on and he said what do I do now I said

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put your hands on my back

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put his hands on my back and it felt

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like first heat then Novocaine and then

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like novocaine wearing off from the

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perimeter it it eventually wore off over

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a course of making this up 15 minutes

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uh and the novocaine feeling for this my

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last back pain

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and so I'm left with

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this is interesting

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so the I mean you got you got two ways

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to go if something like this happens to

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you

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the most common I I think and maybe the

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most appropriate I'm not sure but the

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most common response will be walk away

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you know you know keep it to yourself

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zip it move away and it was probably

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just you know suggestion anyway you know

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the pain will eventually come back uh or

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two you you dive in you try to figure

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out what heaven's name just happened to

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you and for better for worse I went down

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the second Road

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you know what in Heaven's name happened

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did did you did you go to people and you

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know friends and family and say you're

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not going to bully what happened to us

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yeah and they didn't uh and I didn't

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blame them

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um and and then I started to drag people

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in there who had physical problems

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um and we found out very early and and

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it basically me obsessing about how do I

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study this how do I do this you know

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um and and so we started out on people

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uh and we found you know there were

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patterns there were some things he was

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particularly good at there were some

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things he wasn't so good at he was good

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at malignancies he wasn't good at benign

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growth uh just as an example and that

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incidentally continues to this day

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uh so it's not it's not magic it's not

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miraculous it's nothing like that it is

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amenable to scientific inquiry uh it's

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just that it's kind of a new field in

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terms of systematic data and you know

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people still make up a lot of stuff

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how did you figure out how did you

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figure out what he was doing I don't

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know if I've ever heard you speak about

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specifically you sit down with Ben and

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you say Okay Ben let's figure out

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exactly what you're doing so maybe we

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can teach it to me and we can teach it

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to other people so how did that work

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well this is going to truncate I hung

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out with them for a couple of years uh

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and uh we we did a lot of stuff together

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and uh

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uh I I my my main job was to ask a lot

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of questions I'm I'm an annoying

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question questioner

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um and his job was to go with his

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intuitive gut and figure out

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um not figure out but just kind of blurt

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out the answer and so my task was to ask

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the right series of questions to get the

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right answers you had to be really

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specific and really Concrete in terms of

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the kinds of things you asked uh and

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then you get a very explicit answer but

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he didn't know and he was kind of like a

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intuitive who responded to the questions

365
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and I was basically the main questioner

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and and the thrust of it was

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how how unique is he and could anybody

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do what he's doing you know I mean that

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that that's from whence it it stems and

370
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his answer uh sometimes he didn't like

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his own answers but his answer uh was

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yeah yeah anybody could do this

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um and then you know the follow-up

374
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question is well what do you have to do

375
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and what's involved and what would like

376
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a novice come in from the outside what

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would they have to do and so the

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dialogue that I had with him over the

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course of many many months is yeah man I

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can't give you all the details but it

381
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came up with the the system that we have

382
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now that that I teach in workshops and I

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use in experiments uh so it it it

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becomes this this cycling technique

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which is very rapid Imaging uh

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um and and so this has this has uh the

387
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plot came out of the dialogue I had with

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Ben

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I mean we were co-creators of it

390
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co-creators and then

391
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I'm just gonna I'm sorry I was gonna ask

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you something and I forgot

393
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um about Ben teaching you

394
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um when did you

395
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you decide to take this into the lab

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and he's going to be your healer

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and just talk about what happened and

398
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how he came through it flying colors and

399
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you just watched him heal all these mice

400
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and how that didn't really happen it

401
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really happened didn't really happen

402
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um the the

403
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um I watched I watched a few hundred

404
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healings of humans

405
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uh and that's what that's what I was

406
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gonna say sorry oh bankston's talking

407
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about healing humans there's no evidence

408
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for this these are anecdotal stories so

409
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that's the skeptical side so how do you

410
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respond to that oh I would say be

411
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skeptical you should always be skeptical

412
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I mean this the stuff I'm talking about

413
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is crazy uh you know this doesn't make

414
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any sense and I don't pretend to

415
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understand it I can use it I can't make

416
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it stop you know so I'm I'm in a weird

417
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spot where I am a car carrying skeptic I

418
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remain a skeptic to this day

419
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um but I the stuff just continues so

420
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whatever it is a skeptic isn't someone

421
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who's a disbeliever that's a believer

422
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a skeptic if someone is open

423
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uh who doesn't pretend to know all the

424
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answers uh Believers pretend to know all

425
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the answers and there are people who

426
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believe everything is true and there's

427
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people who believe everything is false

428
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they're both Believers I'm really in the

429
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middle and I I am a skeptic and I'd

430
00:17:13,610 --> 00:17:11,220
recommend that as a as a good

431
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approach to to things which are

432
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outlandish and what I'm saying is

433
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outlandish you know I mean it really is

434
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if you were saying it I'd sit there go

435
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come on I mean I wouldn't I wouldn't

436
00:17:27,289 --> 00:17:24,360
default to believe in you but I watched

437
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for my own edification a few hundred

438
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healings

439
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and I watched and then I took part in a

440
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few hundred healings

441
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and then I realized that no matter how

442
00:17:41,150 --> 00:17:39,120
many hundreds of healings you have

443
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it's not the same as having something

444
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that is systematic and controlled

445
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and so I got frustrated I got frustrated

446
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by a lot of things but among the things

447
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I got frustrated by was people's

448
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reaction to this stuff

449
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uh so even the people who were healed

450
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the the most bizarre responses I mean

451
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they they were they were started to deny

452
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that they were healed they would they

453
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would forget that they were ever sick I

454
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mean people are screwing and the the

455
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biggest problem I had in my simple brain

456
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he said I can't

457
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I can't unravel what happens in a

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clinical test

459
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meaning a person comes in and I'm

460
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oversimplifying person comes in you do

461
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you know whatever your healing stick is

462
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and the person leaves and they're better

463
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or the the healing starts or you know

464
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something along those lines uh but it it

465
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it healing happens

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what did it

467
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you know what I mean healing happens

468
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without healers so what what might be

469
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the conditions that bring about healing

470
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um it it could be

471
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something they ate it could be something

472
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they didn't eat you know it could be I

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mean you can think of it so you you come

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in I mean you know in some of it's

475
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stupid I I understand that in my case I

476
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was in pain for years and this this guy

477
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comes along puts his hands on my back

478
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and I'm not in pain anymore that's a

479
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little too coincidental you know I'm not

480
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gonna say that's because of the English

481
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muffin I had in the morning right you

482
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can always I mean you can always say

483
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it's like well that's just a coincidence

484
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I think you've spoken about you you've

485
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even had cases of gangrene which do not

486
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yeah we had we had a gangrene case of a

487
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woman gonna have her foot taken off and

488
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and the gangrene went away that that's

489
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that's hard to but even even then

490
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um uh we couldn't get people in

491
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Authority Physicians and such to be

492
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interested in following that up

493
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so the gangrene doc said

494
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flop on the floor you know what in

495
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Heaven's name is going on here I you

496
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don't have gangrene anymore

497
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when asked would you like to understand

498
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or see what happened to this

499
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the answer was at least honest the

500
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answer was no

501
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and why not because it doesn't you know

502
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I mean what do you do with that you know

503
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what what's the upside if you're a

504
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physician to saying gangrene

505
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spontaneously remitted you know that

506
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that's not going to sell

507
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uh you're not going to do anything for

508
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your professional standing you're not

509
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going to do anything for any standing

510
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and and what was the mechanism of action

511
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so to speak and the answer is I don't

512
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know

513
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and so until you dive deeper into that

514
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kind of stuff

515
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the the person on the outside usually

516
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doesn't have a professional upside to

517
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and

518
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you know it's

519
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I'm sorry I lost my train of thought I

520
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wanna talk about

521
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and I know I know a lot of doctors who

522
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don't want anything to do with this

523
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because like you said it's a career

524
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Buster

525
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um there are people there are people who

526
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all who are involved in alternative

527
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healing and I've I've run this by some

528
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of them and even that even they are

529
00:21:00,590 --> 00:20:58,080
skeptical about this I I can't get

530
00:21:02,270 --> 00:21:00,600
interest from folks in the UFO World

531
00:21:04,970 --> 00:21:02,280
folks even folks in the alternative

532
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:04,980
healing World they struggle to hear this

533
00:21:09,049 --> 00:21:07,440
to accept it because as you said it's

534
00:21:10,669 --> 00:21:09,059
crazy it's ridiculous and we haven't

535
00:21:13,310 --> 00:21:10,679
even gotten to the best stuff which will

536
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come later when Dean joins us but so

537
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fast forward

538
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you and Ben here's an answer to your you

539
00:21:22,490 --> 00:21:20,460
know how why'd you get it why'd you go

540
00:21:25,070 --> 00:21:22,500
into the lab it's it's I've watched a

541
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couple hundred get healed I watched and

542
00:21:28,010 --> 00:21:26,039
then what you know I'm I'm

543
00:21:30,110 --> 00:21:28,020
oversimplifying it it's not it's not

544
00:21:32,570 --> 00:21:30,120
miraculous it's not magical it's not

545
00:21:35,390 --> 00:21:32,580
instantaneous sometimes it was but

546
00:21:38,510 --> 00:21:35,400
what happened to me in my back was rare

547
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in the sense that it fixed right away uh

548
00:21:43,370 --> 00:21:41,700
most Healing Begins a process it's not

549
00:21:45,370 --> 00:21:43,380
you know wave your you know the sky

550
00:21:48,590 --> 00:21:45,380
opens and a lightning bolt hits you

551
00:21:51,230 --> 00:21:48,600
healing accelerates or Healing Begins

552
00:21:53,090 --> 00:21:51,240
where otherwise would not have begun you

553
00:21:55,370 --> 00:21:53,100
know something long there's patterns

554
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:55,380
that go on but I couldn't unravel them

555
00:22:00,350 --> 00:21:57,600
clinically because I I can't control the

556
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:00,360
environment so you come in and you have

557
00:22:05,450 --> 00:22:02,640
the growth you have a pain you have a

558
00:22:08,210 --> 00:22:05,460
whatever you got and and someone

559
00:22:11,570 --> 00:22:08,220
um someone comes along and and does

560
00:22:13,789 --> 00:22:11,580
Hocus Pocus and and then you get fixed

561
00:22:15,169 --> 00:22:13,799
over some length of time usually you get

562
00:22:18,049 --> 00:22:15,179
fixed

563
00:22:20,330 --> 00:22:18,059
what did it you know again was it time

564
00:22:23,090 --> 00:22:20,340
was it diet was it change diet was it

565
00:22:26,090 --> 00:22:23,100
was it was it was it was it you know and

566
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:26,100
and all of that and the answer is you

567
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:28,559
can't you you don't know and and that's

568
00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:31,200
why you know frankly medicine is an art

569
00:22:36,049 --> 00:22:34,320
it's it's not a science it's an art

570
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:36,059
um there's a whole lot of guesswork and

571
00:22:40,730 --> 00:22:38,640
and clinical stuff is really

572
00:22:43,610 --> 00:22:40,740
I call it soft

573
00:22:46,130 --> 00:22:43,620
and I was growing tired of the softness

574
00:22:49,730 --> 00:22:46,140
of it all because I am a skeptic

575
00:22:53,690 --> 00:22:49,740
um and and so I I met a guy became a

576
00:22:57,950 --> 00:22:53,700
good friend uh at Ben's named Dave's

577
00:22:59,690 --> 00:22:57,960
creamsley uh pretty well-known geologist

578
00:23:01,130 --> 00:22:59,700
um and we were both sitting there going

579
00:23:02,930 --> 00:23:01,140
what do we do with these stories you

580
00:23:05,930 --> 00:23:02,940
know what you know they're cute they're

581
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:05,940
fun uh but that that's not gonna lend

582
00:23:10,610 --> 00:23:08,400
itself to anything and we both decided

583
00:23:11,690 --> 00:23:10,620
basically on the spot we need to go to

584
00:23:13,370 --> 00:23:11,700
the lab

585
00:23:15,710 --> 00:23:13,380
and we need to do this stuff under

586
00:23:17,930 --> 00:23:15,720
seriously controlled conditions and see

587
00:23:19,370 --> 00:23:17,940
what happens because we're missing

588
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:19,380
something and we're not going to unravel

589
00:23:21,649 --> 00:23:20,640
it no matter how many hundreds of people

590
00:23:23,390 --> 00:23:21,659
get better

591
00:23:24,830 --> 00:23:23,400
if you're looking to understand the

592
00:23:26,029 --> 00:23:24,840
stuff you're not going to get there

593
00:23:27,710 --> 00:23:26,039
clinically

594
00:23:29,330 --> 00:23:27,720
you're going to have clinical experience

595
00:23:31,010 --> 00:23:29,340
you'll have clinical anecdote but you're

596
00:23:33,470 --> 00:23:31,020
not going to have anything that would

597
00:23:35,930 --> 00:23:33,480
stand up to experimental scrutiny

598
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:35,940
and I wanted something that was

599
00:23:40,430 --> 00:23:38,159
without account without a viable counter

600
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:40,440
hypothesis I believe I looked up Dave

601
00:23:47,270 --> 00:23:45,120
crinsley past in 2018 at 90. yeah

602
00:23:49,490 --> 00:23:47,280
so I know he was instrumental in your

603
00:23:53,230 --> 00:23:49,500
early Dave Dave was one of the biggest

604
00:23:58,010 --> 00:23:55,669
in a whole lot of different ways he was

605
00:24:00,049 --> 00:23:58,020
just uh he was the guy you know that

606
00:24:02,330 --> 00:24:00,059
really changed the trajectory of where I

607
00:24:03,950 --> 00:24:02,340
was going and what I was doing and and

608
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:03,960
all of that so we went from you know

609
00:24:07,970 --> 00:24:05,760
soft kind of stuff to harder kind of

610
00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:07,980
stuff he's the one who made me go out

611
00:24:13,370 --> 00:24:11,460
not made me but encouraged me to go out

612
00:24:15,470 --> 00:24:13,380
and get a PhD so people would take take

613
00:24:17,570 --> 00:24:15,480
me a little more seriously than if I'm

614
00:24:19,010 --> 00:24:17,580
just coming off the street he's the one

615
00:24:21,409 --> 00:24:19,020
he's the one he's the one who paid for

616
00:24:24,169 --> 00:24:21,419
the initial lab he's the one you know he

617
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:24,179
without him this wouldn't happen

618
00:24:28,970 --> 00:24:27,360
so take me to the experiment setup

619
00:24:31,789 --> 00:24:28,980
Queen's college or was it City

620
00:24:34,430 --> 00:24:31,799
University of New York I know

621
00:24:37,070 --> 00:24:34,440
Queens is a campus of City University

622
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,080
okay so Ben is the Healer everything's

623
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:39,360
ready to go everything's set well I I

624
00:24:47,330 --> 00:24:45,350
I think that's I'd be happy to show you

625
00:24:51,230 --> 00:24:47,340
know exception but the short version was

626
00:24:53,210 --> 00:24:51,240
we here we've got this soft anecdote of

627
00:24:55,250 --> 00:24:53,220
person after person after person coming

628
00:24:57,049 --> 00:24:55,260
in to be you know get get treated and

629
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:57,059
healed and all that stuff and it's cute

630
00:25:01,130 --> 00:24:59,039
and we got a good long list of you know

631
00:25:03,529 --> 00:25:01,140
stories we could tell a bunch of stories

632
00:25:04,909 --> 00:25:03,539
for a lot of time uh but the question

633
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:04,919
was how do you come up with something

634
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:07,200
that doesn't have really a viable

635
00:25:12,770 --> 00:25:09,360
counter hypothesis that no matter how

636
00:25:17,330 --> 00:25:15,289
the data will will rule you know I mean

637
00:25:20,090 --> 00:25:17,340
that's really the question

638
00:25:23,450 --> 00:25:20,100
so once again it was Dave Chrisley who

639
00:25:26,570 --> 00:25:23,460
was uh pretty well-known guy you know in

640
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:26,580
in scientific circles he got uh somebody

641
00:25:31,970 --> 00:25:28,799
the the head of the biology department

642
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:31,980
at City University uh and said I want

643
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:34,320
you to I want to do a test that has no

644
00:25:38,750 --> 00:25:36,960
counter hypothesis you know that that we

645
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:38,760
you can't say oh well it's you know it's

646
00:25:43,730 --> 00:25:42,000
cute but what do you got and he said uh

647
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:43,740
first of all this is crazy anybody who

648
00:25:47,390 --> 00:25:45,600
thinks that you can heal you know his

649
00:25:49,789 --> 00:25:47,400
nuts you know so we had a non-believing

650
00:25:52,610 --> 00:25:49,799
head of the biology Department we had

651
00:25:54,890 --> 00:25:52,620
Skeptics all over the place and and the

652
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:54,900
biology Department uh said yeah we'll do

653
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:57,360
it because you're Dave princely

654
00:26:02,570 --> 00:25:59,760
um and you know pretty pretty well-known

655
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:02,580
guy and what he did

656
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:04,799
the the head of the bio Department said

657
00:26:09,409 --> 00:26:06,960
I've got someone in my department who's

658
00:26:11,930 --> 00:26:09,419
been working on a mammary cancer for 20

659
00:26:19,130 --> 00:26:15,649
the mammary cancer will kill the mouse

660
00:26:21,950 --> 00:26:19,140
if you can fix a mouse I'm any Mouse if

661
00:26:24,169 --> 00:26:21,960
you can fix a mouse or make it live to a

662
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:24,179
certain length of time there's no viable

663
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:25,919
counter hypothesis we have literally

664
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:28,080
thousands of experiments on this mouse

665
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:30,000
what have they did they do any

666
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:31,679
experiments even up till now where they

667
00:26:36,529 --> 00:26:34,080
use chemo or drugs or radiation with

668
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:36,539
which allow those mice to live beyond 27

669
00:26:40,370 --> 00:26:38,400
days I know that's the maximum lifespan

670
00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:40,380
when they happen what you're dealing

671
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:42,000
with here it depends on the model of

672
00:26:46,010 --> 00:26:44,400
mouse that you're willing so I mean if

673
00:26:48,350 --> 00:26:46,020
you're doing cancer research in a lab

674
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:48,360
you're basically you got a catalog of

675
00:26:52,730 --> 00:26:50,400
mouse and type of mouse and type of

676
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:52,740
cancer and all this stuff so all my

677
00:26:57,769 --> 00:26:55,679
stone have the same length of time they

678
00:26:59,330 --> 00:26:57,779
can live it depends on who you're you

679
00:27:01,370 --> 00:26:59,340
know which kind of mouse you're dealing

680
00:27:03,710 --> 00:27:01,380
with somewhere faster some are slower

681
00:27:07,789 --> 00:27:03,720
and all of that

682
00:27:10,010 --> 00:27:07,799
uh so in terms of have have anyone been

683
00:27:11,450 --> 00:27:10,020
able to extend the the not that I'm

684
00:27:14,090 --> 00:27:11,460
aware

685
00:27:15,049 --> 00:27:14,100
so this particular my mouse my type of

686
00:27:16,669 --> 00:27:15,059
mice

687
00:27:18,409 --> 00:27:16,679
type of mouse in this particular

688
00:27:20,390 --> 00:27:18,419
experiment with mammary cancer the

689
00:27:23,450 --> 00:27:20,400
maximum amount of time they would live

690
00:27:24,890 --> 00:27:23,460
would be 27 days after yeah they're not

691
00:27:27,049 --> 00:27:24,900
going to live a month you know so

692
00:27:29,330 --> 00:27:27,059
they're all dead in a month and if we

693
00:27:31,549 --> 00:27:29,340
could make them Live a month we'd have

694
00:27:33,470 --> 00:27:31,559
the longevity record and then you'd say

695
00:27:35,870 --> 00:27:33,480
you can't have a viable counter

696
00:27:38,930 --> 00:27:35,880
hypothesis to that and if you haven't if

697
00:27:40,010 --> 00:27:38,940
you haven't if you have so I I mean I

698
00:27:42,890 --> 00:27:40,020
didn't know anything about this stuff

699
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:42,900
it's okay if we here's we have something

700
00:27:48,830 --> 00:27:45,600
that's known and let's interject a

701
00:27:50,210 --> 00:27:48,840
single variable which is this unorthodox

702
00:27:52,490 --> 00:27:50,220
healing

703
00:27:54,409 --> 00:27:52,500
so we interject the single variable see

704
00:27:56,029 --> 00:27:54,419
what happens will they live longer will

705
00:27:57,710 --> 00:27:56,039
they live better will they live you know

706
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:57,720
will anything happen I mean we didn't

707
00:28:02,990 --> 00:28:00,240
know but the point of this is it's very

708
00:28:04,430 --> 00:28:03,000
different from me telling a story you

709
00:28:06,769 --> 00:28:04,440
know once upon a time I had a bad back

710
00:28:09,289 --> 00:28:06,779
and now I don't versus here we are under

711
00:28:10,850 --> 00:28:09,299
control conditions in a lab there's no

712
00:28:12,890 --> 00:28:10,860
question what's going to happen we've

713
00:28:15,470 --> 00:28:12,900
got 20 years of experience we have

714
00:28:17,930 --> 00:28:15,480
literally thousands of Publications and

715
00:28:19,730 --> 00:28:17,940
I come in like a lunatic and introduce a

716
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:19,740
single variant

717
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:22,080
that's controlled conditions and if you

718
00:28:25,549 --> 00:28:23,760
want to get to your slides now we can I

719
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:25,559
know so Ben was supposed to be your

720
00:28:31,010 --> 00:28:27,840
healer and then Ben was supposed to be

721
00:28:33,169 --> 00:28:31,020
the healer but he we we had to lay after

722
00:28:34,669 --> 00:28:33,179
delay after delay the mice were coming

723
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:34,679
the mice weren't coming the mice were

724
00:28:39,169 --> 00:28:36,480
delayed but this happened you know blah

725
00:28:40,850 --> 00:28:39,179
blah blah and uh when the mice finally

726
00:28:42,529 --> 00:28:40,860
arrived

727
00:28:45,169 --> 00:28:42,539
overtime

728
00:28:47,390 --> 00:28:45,179
um Ben who was supposed to be the healer

729
00:28:50,269 --> 00:28:47,400
uh said I'm not doing it

730
00:28:53,090 --> 00:28:50,279
and it would be a gross understatement

731
00:28:55,370 --> 00:28:53,100
to say that I had a fit

732
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:55,380
I had I had a fifth greatest hit you

733
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:57,600
know because this was not simple to set

734
00:29:03,289 --> 00:29:00,480
up this was this took a little bit of

735
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:03,299
time effort money resources and a whole

736
00:29:07,070 --> 00:29:05,760
lot of other things and when when Ben

737
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:07,080
backed out

738
00:29:12,049 --> 00:29:09,360
um I wasn't amused and it was once again

739
00:29:13,250 --> 00:29:12,059
it was Chrisley who said okay so we

740
00:29:15,470 --> 00:29:13,260
don't have Ben

741
00:29:16,909 --> 00:29:15,480
we have you and I said I'm not a Healer

742
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:16,919
and he said yeah I know but you've been

743
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:18,720
hanging around him a long time just go

744
00:29:22,669 --> 00:29:19,919
do your stick

745
00:29:25,010 --> 00:29:22,679
and so I did the stick and we found

746
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:25,020
interesting things and then that I can

747
00:29:27,769 --> 00:29:25,919
show you

748
00:29:30,110 --> 00:29:27,779
yes if you want to get to the slides

749
00:29:32,690 --> 00:29:30,120
that would be great you know we'll see

750
00:29:33,889 --> 00:29:32,700
if I can do this and

751
00:29:37,010 --> 00:29:33,899
I will

752
00:29:37,789 --> 00:29:37,020
continue to talk about Ben I know if you

753
00:29:39,529 --> 00:29:37,799
can

754
00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:39,539
pull up your slides and talk when did

755
00:29:47,810 --> 00:29:45,110
now you're asking me trick questions

756
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:47,820
it's all right I'm just trying to

757
00:29:53,210 --> 00:29:50,880
and like I said earlier I I had not

758
00:29:55,010 --> 00:29:53,220
heard of your research and I still I'm

759
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:55,020
struggling to get people interested and

760
00:29:58,250 --> 00:29:56,880
just so people realize and keep you can

761
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:58,260
keep working on your slides there you go

762
00:30:02,570 --> 00:30:00,480
have it you do and I'm gonna pull it up

763
00:30:06,049 --> 00:30:02,580
and you can continue Ben backed out and

764
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:06,059
here we go Bend back down

765
00:30:12,289 --> 00:30:08,880
um and and so creamfully said you know

766
00:30:13,149 --> 00:30:12,299
you do it you you be the the Healer I

767
00:30:16,010 --> 00:30:13,159
said

768
00:30:18,490 --> 00:30:16,020
it's not supposed to be about me uh but

769
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:18,500
I tried it anyway I tried it skeptically

770
00:30:24,049 --> 00:30:21,840
and uh I'll I'll show you what what

771
00:30:28,130 --> 00:30:24,059
happened

772
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:28,140
and this was to our utter amazement

773
00:30:35,090 --> 00:30:30,480
so let me I gotta skip around here a

774
00:30:39,409 --> 00:30:37,070
Okay so

775
00:30:43,070 --> 00:30:39,419
here's an example of a mouse

776
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:43,080
and you got that and it's ugly looking

777
00:30:48,169 --> 00:30:46,080
I got it perfect okay so you can see my

778
00:30:56,029 --> 00:30:48,179
pointer

779
00:30:59,149 --> 00:30:56,039
me let me just describe you got a big

780
00:31:01,370 --> 00:30:59,159
walking lump on the back left something

781
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:01,380
just switched

782
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:03,600
great

783
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:05,039
try again

784
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:07,279
there you go we got a big walking lump

785
00:31:11,149 --> 00:31:09,600
uh this mouse you don't have to be a

786
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:11,159
biologist nor do you need to see my

787
00:31:16,010 --> 00:31:12,720
pointer

788
00:31:19,310 --> 00:31:16,020
um this mouse is about to die it's got a

789
00:31:21,889 --> 00:31:19,320
big uh in the hindquarters uh tumor

790
00:31:23,450 --> 00:31:21,899
which has actually swallow the leg uh

791
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:23,460
the fur is falling out if you could see

792
00:31:27,529 --> 00:31:25,440
the eyes there's nobody home this is

793
00:31:29,570 --> 00:31:27,539
essentially a dead mouse and this is

794
00:31:31,490 --> 00:31:29,580
what's supposed to happen in this

795
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:31,500
particular form of cancer it's a

796
00:31:35,149 --> 00:31:34,080
non-metastatic cancer I think I can get

797
00:31:37,370 --> 00:31:35,159
through a different slide it's a

798
00:31:38,990 --> 00:31:37,380
non-metastatic Cancer and the mouse is

799
00:31:42,590 --> 00:31:39,000
going to be well let's call it a month

800
00:31:45,470 --> 00:31:42,600
the mouse is not going to last a month

801
00:31:48,350 --> 00:31:45,480
having said that this says day 28. um

802
00:31:51,710 --> 00:31:48,360
and that's 28 days after injection and

803
00:31:54,289 --> 00:31:51,720
so what happens is these mice die in

804
00:31:57,710 --> 00:31:54,299
ugly death it's it's not pretty and we

805
00:31:59,570 --> 00:31:57,720
come along and we try this this is now a

806
00:32:04,549 --> 00:31:59,580
picture of me doing this at Brown

807
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:04,559
University in Providence uh so this is

808
00:32:08,389 --> 00:32:06,480
before covet too I'm not dressed up for

809
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:08,399
coven I'm dressed up because we have a

810
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:11,279
clean lab so we we are under seriously

811
00:32:16,669 --> 00:32:14,159
tight conditions here uh this is what's

812
00:32:19,490 --> 00:32:16,679
supposed to happen we introduce a single

813
00:32:21,649 --> 00:32:19,500
variable of healing and then we watch to

814
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:21,659
see what's going to happen now this goes

815
00:32:25,310 --> 00:32:23,279
back to

816
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:25,320
interesting things happen when we do

817
00:32:29,810 --> 00:32:27,600
this I have pictures of students and

818
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:29,820
faculty and all that acting as healers

819
00:32:32,570 --> 00:32:31,440
at this point but I don't like to out

820
00:32:35,210 --> 00:32:32,580
other people

821
00:32:36,769 --> 00:32:35,220
so we take mice which are about to die

822
00:32:39,470 --> 00:32:36,779
or mice which have been ejected with

823
00:32:41,149 --> 00:32:39,480
illegal cancer we do we pass our hands

824
00:32:42,830 --> 00:32:41,159
around or we do it from a distance or we

825
00:32:46,370 --> 00:32:42,840
do whatever we we're supposed to be

826
00:32:48,769 --> 00:32:46,380
doing and interesting things happen this

827
00:32:50,930 --> 00:32:48,779
is a different Mouse

828
00:32:53,810 --> 00:32:50,940
you can't see my pointer but a little

829
00:32:56,090 --> 00:32:53,820
slit is starting to appear

830
00:32:59,090 --> 00:32:56,100
and this little slit which is starting

831
00:33:01,669 --> 00:32:59,100
to appear opens up into a kind of an

832
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:01,679
ugly looking ulceration but if you look

833
00:33:07,070 --> 00:33:04,080
at this this mouse

834
00:33:10,250 --> 00:33:07,080
as opposed to this mouse

835
00:33:14,090 --> 00:33:10,260
you can see this mouse is going to die

836
00:33:17,870 --> 00:33:14,100
this mouse has good looking fur

837
00:33:20,090 --> 00:33:17,880
and it's got a big walk-in ulceration

838
00:33:22,190 --> 00:33:20,100
but the eyes are clear the coat is clean

839
00:33:24,649 --> 00:33:22,200
everything about him is okay except it's

840
00:33:27,529 --> 00:33:24,659
seriously ugly and deformed now when

841
00:33:32,810 --> 00:33:29,990
and this happened for the first time I

842
00:33:35,210 --> 00:33:32,820
thought it was failing

843
00:33:37,789 --> 00:33:35,220
because I was thinking

844
00:33:40,009 --> 00:33:37,799
if we do this

845
00:33:42,049 --> 00:33:40,019
and it's going to work and we get to the

846
00:33:43,789 --> 00:33:42,059
mice early enough and we put our hands

847
00:33:46,610 --> 00:33:43,799
around the cage or we do something along

848
00:33:48,590 --> 00:33:46,620
those lines and we we zap them somehow

849
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:48,600
that this would

850
00:33:53,870 --> 00:33:51,360
prevent the cancer from ever growing but

851
00:33:56,269 --> 00:33:53,880
in all cases and I mean all cases the

852
00:33:58,669 --> 00:33:56,279
cancer grows anyway

853
00:34:01,909 --> 00:33:58,679
and what happens is it's not mind over

854
00:34:04,009 --> 00:34:01,919
matter what happens is the tumor grows

855
00:34:06,409 --> 00:34:04,019
the tumor gets bigger and bigger it

856
00:34:08,690 --> 00:34:06,419
ulcerates and that it implodes and then

857
00:34:10,669 --> 00:34:08,700
the mouse is cured

858
00:34:12,889 --> 00:34:10,679
and it's not remitted it's not better

859
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:12,899
it's cured and it's cured for the rest

860
00:34:18,530 --> 00:34:15,359
of its life and it's beyond cured for

861
00:34:20,750 --> 00:34:18,540
the rest of its life if we inject this

862
00:34:24,109 --> 00:34:20,760
mouse with cancer after it's been cured

863
00:34:27,470 --> 00:34:24,119
it can't get cancer again

864
00:34:29,629 --> 00:34:27,480
so it's it's reasonably interesting

865
00:34:31,250 --> 00:34:29,639
that's extremely interesting and I know

866
00:34:32,690 --> 00:34:31,260
you've talked before you wanted to end

867
00:34:34,970 --> 00:34:32,700
the experiment because you thought the

868
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:34,980
might the mice it wasn't working you

869
00:34:39,050 --> 00:34:36,960
know I mean give me a break if you see

870
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:39,060
if you something like this

871
00:34:44,450 --> 00:34:41,760
and you're you're a normal person you're

872
00:34:46,909 --> 00:34:44,460
going to say well that's not good and it

873
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:46,919
was crinsley who said keep going

874
00:34:51,050 --> 00:34:49,679
it was crazy who said one more day it

875
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:51,060
was crisley and then suddenly it

876
00:34:55,250 --> 00:34:53,040
imploded and we had a cure

877
00:34:56,750 --> 00:34:55,260
and I know I know people are asking this

878
00:34:58,430 --> 00:34:56,760
and I I don't know if you've ever asked

879
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:58,440
how do you feel about mice being

880
00:35:01,609 --> 00:35:00,240
involved mice are dying so how do you

881
00:35:03,710 --> 00:35:01,619
feel about that because I don't think

882
00:35:05,450 --> 00:35:03,720
I've ever heard you asked about that

883
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:05,460
well it's ugly work

884
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:07,680
I don't like it I just finished two

885
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:11,040
experiments on mice in Tokyo uh which we

886
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:12,960
may or may not get to but uh so I've

887
00:35:17,150 --> 00:35:15,839
I've done this stuff all over the place

888
00:35:19,329 --> 00:35:17,160
um and it's it's

889
00:35:22,010 --> 00:35:19,339
ugly I'm I'm still in the market for

890
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:22,020
looking for a different biological model

891
00:35:26,089 --> 00:35:23,760
that we can play with so we've played

892
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:26,099
with zebrafish we've played with worms

893
00:35:30,109 --> 00:35:28,560
we played with we played with we played

894
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:30,119
you know so we played trying to do other

895
00:35:34,430 --> 00:35:32,400
stuff but this is this is ugly work and

896
00:35:36,050 --> 00:35:34,440
it's actually hard to do and it's also

897
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:36,060
expensive to do

898
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:37,920
that's something I've never heard you

899
00:35:40,670 --> 00:35:39,359
speak about the other day we mentioned

900
00:35:42,589 --> 00:35:40,680
that people are like why aren't more

901
00:35:44,510 --> 00:35:42,599
people doing this why why is it always

902
00:35:46,490 --> 00:35:44,520
Bill Banks's name on The Experiment why

903
00:35:48,170 --> 00:35:46,500
aren't other people replicating it and

904
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,180
you told me how much these experiments

905
00:35:54,770 --> 00:35:50,640
cost well the the experiment I just did

906
00:35:57,890 --> 00:35:54,780
in Tokyo was about 150 000 dollars

907
00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:57,900
I've done 20 of these

908
00:36:01,970 --> 00:35:59,599
you know do the math

909
00:36:06,170 --> 00:36:01,980
and the preparation for some of the

910
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:06,180
stuff has driven a single experiment up

911
00:36:11,329 --> 00:36:08,480
to a half million dollars

912
00:36:13,450 --> 00:36:11,339
into the healing stuff into this and so

913
00:36:16,670 --> 00:36:13,460
I'm fortunate enough to have been

914
00:36:17,569 --> 00:36:16,680
reasonably well funded

915
00:36:20,930 --> 00:36:17,579
um

916
00:36:23,329 --> 00:36:20,940
bunch of mice you know at the pet store

917
00:36:24,890 --> 00:36:23,339
and do this why is it so expensive like

918
00:36:27,410 --> 00:36:24,900
where does that money go for

919
00:36:29,630 --> 00:36:27,420
it goes to Labs it goes to Personnel it

920
00:36:32,329 --> 00:36:29,640
goes to housing it goes to you know

921
00:36:33,410 --> 00:36:32,339
clean Labs it goes to a lot of play so

922
00:36:36,589 --> 00:36:33,420
up here

923
00:36:38,329 --> 00:36:36,599
and and you're looking at just give you

924
00:36:39,710 --> 00:36:38,339
an idea of the cancer experiments that

925
00:36:42,050 --> 00:36:39,720
I've done and I've done a lot of stuff

926
00:36:43,849 --> 00:36:42,060
that have nothing to do with cancer but

927
00:36:45,290 --> 00:36:43,859
we started out with cancer and we

928
00:36:47,089 --> 00:36:45,300
started out with cancer because we had

929
00:36:49,490 --> 00:36:47,099
such good effects with it clinically

930
00:36:52,250 --> 00:36:49,500
took it into the lab had such good

931
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:52,260
effects experimentally and so what I've

932
00:36:56,510 --> 00:36:54,240
done is I've done a lot of cancer

933
00:36:58,490 --> 00:36:56,520
experiments with mice I've done a lot of

934
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:58,500
experiments not with mice but I've done

935
00:37:01,849 --> 00:37:00,480
a lot of experiments not

936
00:37:04,250 --> 00:37:01,859
with cancer

937
00:37:05,329 --> 00:37:04,260
so if you look at this to give you some

938
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:05,339
idea

939
00:37:09,530 --> 00:37:07,680
what it again you can't see my pointer

940
00:37:12,410 --> 00:37:09,540
but it says City University of New York

941
00:37:14,930 --> 00:37:12,420
two experiments

942
00:37:16,849 --> 00:37:14,940
I just lost where I was okay you can go

943
00:37:19,310 --> 00:37:16,859
back

944
00:37:22,370 --> 00:37:19,320
okay two two experiments at City

945
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:22,380
University of New York two two uh

946
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:24,480
experiments at St Joseph's College one

947
00:37:29,089 --> 00:37:26,880
at Arizona State three at Indiana

948
00:37:31,730 --> 00:37:29,099
University five at Brown University

949
00:37:32,990 --> 00:37:31,740
Medical School and these are just on the

950
00:37:34,970 --> 00:37:33,000
mammary cancer

951
00:37:38,210 --> 00:37:34,980
and then we've got

952
00:37:40,010 --> 00:37:38,220
um uh sarcomas which repeated University

953
00:37:42,829 --> 00:37:40,020
of Connecticut

954
00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:42,839
I got oncogenic mice the University of

955
00:37:48,290 --> 00:37:45,599
California in San Diego oncogenic sorry

956
00:37:50,089 --> 00:37:48,300
oncogenic mice or myself you don't need

957
00:37:51,950 --> 00:37:50,099
to inject they spontaneously develop

958
00:37:54,050 --> 00:37:51,960
cancer

959
00:37:55,849 --> 00:37:54,060
uh nude mice don't worry I won't show

960
00:37:57,650 --> 00:37:55,859
any nude mice pictures nude mice at

961
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:57,660
Brown University these are mice without

962
00:38:02,990 --> 00:38:00,960
immune systems uh we've done extremely

963
00:38:05,329 --> 00:38:03,000
aggressive cancers at Wake Forest med

964
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:05,339
school and we've just finished the

965
00:38:10,910 --> 00:38:08,400
effects of I'm now doing research on

966
00:38:12,890 --> 00:38:10,920
healing without the Healer can we

967
00:38:15,410 --> 00:38:12,900
reproduce this and make this a scalable

968
00:38:17,450 --> 00:38:15,420
proposition so I just got finished doing

969
00:38:22,250 --> 00:38:17,460
experiments with breast cancer bladder

970
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:25,190
um and the the research is ongoing you

971
00:38:28,970 --> 00:38:26,880
know this isn't I found this out you

972
00:38:30,349 --> 00:38:28,980
know a long time ago this is I'm still

973
00:38:31,609 --> 00:38:30,359
trying to figure out what heaven's name

974
00:38:32,990 --> 00:38:31,619
is going on

975
00:38:34,970 --> 00:38:33,000
well if you don't know what's going on

976
00:38:37,730 --> 00:38:34,980
Bill how could you actually heal you

977
00:38:39,650 --> 00:38:37,740
need to have figured out what's going on

978
00:38:41,930 --> 00:38:39,660
first otherwise healing's not going to

979
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:41,940
take place you're wasting your time yeah

980
00:38:46,130 --> 00:38:44,640
if only that we're so yeah that's what

981
00:38:47,450 --> 00:38:46,140
you talk about people are telling you

982
00:38:49,790 --> 00:38:47,460
you have people telling you unless you

983
00:38:51,770 --> 00:38:49,800
find what's the word if you figure out

984
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:51,780
the um not the method there's another

985
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:53,760
word what's the mechanism of action a

986
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:55,200
mechanism of action if you don't know

987
00:38:57,770 --> 00:38:56,640
that then it's kind of a waste of time

988
00:38:59,150 --> 00:38:57,780
and I know you're getting frustrated

989
00:38:59,930 --> 00:38:59,160
because you're still hearing that from

990
00:39:02,170 --> 00:38:59,940
people

991
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:02,180
well I I got to tell you I I just

992
00:39:08,270 --> 00:39:06,000
recently did an experiment on uh using a

993
00:39:10,370 --> 00:39:08,280
recording uh which you may talk about

994
00:39:12,650 --> 00:39:10,380
when Dean gets here but because I did

995
00:39:16,970 --> 00:39:12,660
this with the

996
00:39:20,030 --> 00:39:16,980
um the effect of a recording of healing

997
00:39:21,650 --> 00:39:20,040
uh and we do the the recording on

998
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:21,660
healing and then we play back the

999
00:39:27,170 --> 00:39:24,000
recording without the Healer uh and we

1000
00:39:29,390 --> 00:39:27,180
have reliable effects on cancer cells we

1001
00:39:31,490 --> 00:39:29,400
have reliable effects in mice

1002
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:31,500
we're trying to capture healing and make

1003
00:39:34,370 --> 00:39:33,839
it scalable

1004
00:39:38,030 --> 00:39:34,380
um

1005
00:39:39,890 --> 00:39:38,040
so so in any event you you see you see

1006
00:39:42,109 --> 00:39:39,900
the plot of what I'm trying to do with

1007
00:39:44,990 --> 00:39:42,119
with some of the some of the slides so

1008
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:45,000
you you if I have the slide up now that

1009
00:39:49,310 --> 00:39:47,040
says healing research major goals you

1010
00:39:51,770 --> 00:39:49,320
know now we're decades and decades and

1011
00:39:54,109 --> 00:39:51,780
decades later so the fact of mice

1012
00:39:56,089 --> 00:39:54,119
getting cured of cancer or the fact of

1013
00:39:58,910 --> 00:39:56,099
people getting cured of cancer

1014
00:40:01,250 --> 00:39:58,920
isn't new you know it's not particularly

1015
00:40:02,930 --> 00:40:01,260
interesting and I don't try to do the

1016
00:40:05,690 --> 00:40:02,940
same thing over and over and over again

1017
00:40:07,849 --> 00:40:05,700
I do it for a while to see if we have a

1018
00:40:09,410 --> 00:40:07,859
reliable effect but we're trying to find

1019
00:40:12,170 --> 00:40:09,420
other stuff so

1020
00:40:13,609 --> 00:40:12,180
the first bullet that's up there you

1021
00:40:17,210 --> 00:40:13,619
know what what are the parameters of

1022
00:40:19,069 --> 00:40:17,220
healing well by parameters of healing

1023
00:40:20,750 --> 00:40:19,079
what are the things that matter so Joe

1024
00:40:22,130 --> 00:40:20,760
you're mentioning things like you got to

1025
00:40:24,890 --> 00:40:22,140
believe or you got to be able to heal

1026
00:40:26,990 --> 00:40:24,900
well it turns out you don't

1027
00:40:29,329 --> 00:40:27,000
so does belief matter that's a parameter

1028
00:40:30,770 --> 00:40:29,339
of healing does distance matter you know

1029
00:40:32,810 --> 00:40:30,780
what what are the things that enhance

1030
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:32,820
healing and what are the things that

1031
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:35,280
detract from healing I've been studying

1032
00:40:40,010 --> 00:40:38,400
this now for you know 120 years I've

1033
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:40,020
looked into

1034
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:42,000
so the physiological correlates of

1035
00:40:46,490 --> 00:40:43,440
healing so I have a whole bunch of

1036
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:46,500
research using eegs and I have a bunch

1037
00:40:51,230 --> 00:40:49,200
of research using functional MRIs I've

1038
00:40:54,050 --> 00:40:51,240
done deep dives into people's brains

1039
00:40:56,089 --> 00:40:54,060
I've done you know see what happens when

1040
00:40:58,370 --> 00:40:56,099
when healing happens

1041
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,380
uh the third bullet the development of a

1042
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:00,480
theoretical model I don't have a good

1043
00:41:07,010 --> 00:41:03,599
one I I so I'm I'm telling you now

1044
00:41:08,930 --> 00:41:07,020
without shame it's just it's just life

1045
00:41:10,910 --> 00:41:08,940
um without shame I I don't understand

1046
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:10,920
how this stuff really works

1047
00:41:15,710 --> 00:41:14,160
and so the the fourth bullet uh I'm

1048
00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:15,720
trying to develop practical applications

1049
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:17,520
can we capture and reproduce healing

1050
00:41:21,650 --> 00:41:19,680
without the Healer which case who cares

1051
00:41:24,109 --> 00:41:21,660
what you believe in

1052
00:41:25,370 --> 00:41:24,119
doesn't make anything exactly because

1053
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:25,380
people are like

1054
00:41:31,609 --> 00:41:28,560
if you're somebody who's sick and you

1055
00:41:32,990 --> 00:41:31,619
have cancer and I go to Bill Bankston or

1056
00:41:36,349 --> 00:41:33,000
one of your healers who trained

1057
00:41:39,290 --> 00:41:36,359
underneath you and I get healed

1058
00:41:42,349 --> 00:41:39,300
I don't care how it works I really don't

1059
00:41:44,270 --> 00:41:42,359
care what's going on all I care about is

1060
00:41:46,250 --> 00:41:44,280
if I've gotten healed and if I've gotten

1061
00:41:48,829 --> 00:41:46,260
healed that's all I care about people

1062
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:48,839
will say well you changed your diet your

1063
00:41:53,450 --> 00:41:50,880
attitude changed fine I don't care I got

1064
00:41:56,810 --> 00:41:53,460
healed that's right so so again yeah

1065
00:41:59,150 --> 00:41:56,820
that's exactly right the clinician is is

1066
00:42:00,530 --> 00:41:59,160
interested in the outcome the

1067
00:42:03,890 --> 00:42:00,540
experimentalist wants to know the

1068
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:03,900
mechanism the client couldn't care you

1069
00:42:08,089 --> 00:42:05,760
know just picks me

1070
00:42:10,310 --> 00:42:08,099
you know that and that's real so it you

1071
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:10,320
know it depends who the audience is

1072
00:42:13,730 --> 00:42:12,240
um it just let me go through a couple

1073
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:13,740
slides then we can kill the slide thing

1074
00:42:19,609 --> 00:42:16,079
so we can look at each other

1075
00:42:21,290 --> 00:42:19,619
um these are all Joe you you read this

1076
00:42:25,130 --> 00:42:21,300
and it's all you know I got a lot of

1077
00:42:27,710 --> 00:42:25,140
experiments since 2010. uh so I'm about

1078
00:42:29,810 --> 00:42:27,720
to start a sequel I hope uh and try to

1079
00:42:31,310 --> 00:42:29,820
bring this up to date because again a

1080
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:31,320
lot a lot of stuff has happened in the

1081
00:42:35,569 --> 00:42:33,839
Dozen Years or so since and for those

1082
00:42:37,849 --> 00:42:35,579
people who are skeptical and I hope it's

1083
00:42:38,810 --> 00:42:37,859
everybody uh if you want to go to my

1084
00:42:41,450 --> 00:42:38,820
website

1085
00:42:44,510 --> 00:42:41,460
uh this is I'm just putting up five

1086
00:42:46,609 --> 00:42:44,520
Publications I think I have about 35 of

1087
00:42:47,390 --> 00:42:46,619
them and and these are geeky things to

1088
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:47,400
read

1089
00:42:50,450 --> 00:42:48,960
you know you don't want to take some of

1090
00:42:53,210 --> 00:42:50,460
this stuff to the beach

1091
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:53,220
uh this you can take to the beach uh

1092
00:42:57,050 --> 00:42:54,960
because it's it's written in English for

1093
00:42:59,089 --> 00:42:57,060
a lay audience some of this stuff is a

1094
00:43:01,250 --> 00:42:59,099
little bit uh nutty you know and it's

1095
00:43:02,450 --> 00:43:01,260
it's Technical and it's geeky and it's

1096
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:02,460
ugly and it's you know it sounds like

1097
00:43:06,849 --> 00:43:04,800
you're writing up lab reports because

1098
00:43:09,530 --> 00:43:06,859
we're writing up lab reports

1099
00:43:11,630 --> 00:43:09,540
uh but again the research goes on I've

1100
00:43:12,770 --> 00:43:11,640
got two papers out for peer review right

1101
00:43:16,130 --> 00:43:12,780
now

1102
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:16,140
um and and it goes on so we we found we

1103
00:43:19,849 --> 00:43:18,000
found a lot of stuff and then then we

1104
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:19,859
can kill the slides

1105
00:43:25,490 --> 00:43:23,040
um this is reliable uh when we talk

1106
00:43:26,690 --> 00:43:25,500
about data over the course of the last

1107
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:26,700
hundred and something years I've been

1108
00:43:34,190 --> 00:43:30,240
doing this this any of these dots I can

1109
00:43:36,170 --> 00:43:34,200
back up with multiple experiments in

1110
00:43:38,990 --> 00:43:36,180
multiple labs

1111
00:43:40,849 --> 00:43:39,000
so I'm a skeptic so if I produce

1112
00:43:42,589 --> 00:43:40,859
something in one lab I gotta reproduce

1113
00:43:44,690 --> 00:43:42,599
it in another lab to make sure that it

1114
00:43:47,150 --> 00:43:44,700
you know it's not an artifact it's

1115
00:43:49,069 --> 00:43:47,160
nothing not not you know it's not it's

1116
00:43:52,490 --> 00:43:49,079
not an odd Quirk it's something that

1117
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:52,500
really happens and we can say without I

1118
00:43:55,069 --> 00:43:54,240
mean even to my skeptical head I have to

1119
00:43:58,490 --> 00:43:55,079
say

1120
00:43:59,930 --> 00:43:58,500
first cure is abound you know and we're

1121
00:44:03,050 --> 00:43:59,940
not talking just cancer we're talking

1122
00:44:06,050 --> 00:44:03,060
cures are all over the freaking place

1123
00:44:09,530 --> 00:44:06,060
um it's it's it's pretty interesting

1124
00:44:11,809 --> 00:44:09,540
and I can say distance is irrelevant

1125
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:11,819
so I do mice experiments where the mice

1126
00:44:16,609 --> 00:44:14,160
are two inches from me and I replicate

1127
00:44:18,109 --> 00:44:16,619
those experiments the mice are at 2 000

1128
00:44:20,329 --> 00:44:18,119
miles

1129
00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:20,339
same result

1130
00:44:23,809 --> 00:44:22,319
that's that's when my when I talked to

1131
00:44:25,730 --> 00:44:23,819
you about the other day

1132
00:44:27,170 --> 00:44:25,740
um holographic Universe this is all an

1133
00:44:29,450 --> 00:44:27,180
illusion there really is no distance

1134
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:29,460
that's the theory I think that's

1135
00:44:33,230 --> 00:44:31,200
accurate there is no distance that's why

1136
00:44:35,630 --> 00:44:33,240
particles separated by a million miles

1137
00:44:37,370 --> 00:44:35,640
instantaneous communication faster than

1138
00:44:39,410 --> 00:44:37,380
the speed of light well there is no

1139
00:44:40,670 --> 00:44:39,420
distance that's I think that's where

1140
00:44:42,829 --> 00:44:40,680
we're going

1141
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:42,839
um obviously we can't prove that do you

1142
00:44:45,470 --> 00:44:43,920
have any thoughts on that that would be

1143
00:44:49,490 --> 00:44:45,480
that would be the holographic Universe

1144
00:44:53,450 --> 00:44:49,500
model well it it the distance thing is

1145
00:44:55,550 --> 00:44:53,460
is really taxing for someone like myself

1146
00:44:57,950 --> 00:44:55,560
because I you know when you talk about

1147
00:45:00,349 --> 00:44:57,960
the holographic universe and all of that

1148
00:45:03,290 --> 00:45:00,359
I've started to look into it a little

1149
00:45:05,690 --> 00:45:03,300
bit and and at least metaphorically you

1150
00:45:08,210 --> 00:45:05,700
know there are patterns you know that I

1151
00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:08,220
can't disagree with you but whether the

1152
00:45:11,450 --> 00:45:10,560
universe is holographic is past my pay

1153
00:45:13,069 --> 00:45:11,460
grade

1154
00:45:15,770 --> 00:45:13,079
I mean you know so I'm going to be

1155
00:45:17,569 --> 00:45:15,780
really cautious but I would say that at

1156
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:17,579
least metaphorically

1157
00:45:23,870 --> 00:45:20,640
it's consistent it's consistent

1158
00:45:26,329 --> 00:45:23,880
distance is irrelevant and I can say

1159
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:26,339
with with certainty you know as much as

1160
00:45:29,329 --> 00:45:27,839
you can say with anything with certainty

1161
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:29,339
I can say with certainty that distance

1162
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:31,680
is irrelevant

1163
00:45:37,550 --> 00:45:34,800
um and and what that that brings up an

1164
00:45:38,990 --> 00:45:37,560
interesting problem if distance is

1165
00:45:43,069 --> 00:45:39,000
irrelevant

1166
00:45:48,109 --> 00:45:45,349
now I understand I have a book called

1167
00:45:50,510 --> 00:45:48,119
the energy cure

1168
00:45:53,089 --> 00:45:50,520
and you know there's a certain hypocrisy

1169
00:45:55,609 --> 00:45:53,099
here but I went to you know when I saw

1170
00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:55,619
this cover for the first time and I said

1171
00:45:59,450 --> 00:45:57,599
and I saw the title the energy cure I

1172
00:46:02,390 --> 00:45:59,460
said to sounds true

1173
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:02,400
I don't like the title uh because I

1174
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:03,599
don't think there's any energy in

1175
00:46:08,690 --> 00:46:05,520
healing and they said you know thanks

1176
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:08,700
for your input yeah we don't care so we

1177
00:46:13,010 --> 00:46:10,800
don't care you know but but you know

1178
00:46:16,250 --> 00:46:13,020
thanks for thanks for weighing in uh but

1179
00:46:18,290 --> 00:46:16,260
we don't really care uh so there's a

1180
00:46:19,550 --> 00:46:18,300
problem if there if distance is

1181
00:46:22,609 --> 00:46:19,560
irrelevant

1182
00:46:25,010 --> 00:46:22,619
it can't be energy

1183
00:46:27,890 --> 00:46:25,020
whether it can be a holographic

1184
00:46:31,550 --> 00:46:27,900
something I don't know past my pay grade

1185
00:46:33,650 --> 00:46:31,560
but it can't be energy energy diminishes

1186
00:46:36,829 --> 00:46:33,660
with distance right

1187
00:46:38,690 --> 00:46:36,839
so you know if I'm if I'm you got a

1188
00:46:40,250 --> 00:46:38,700
sound and you move away it gets dimmer

1189
00:46:42,109 --> 00:46:40,260
you got a light you move away it gets

1190
00:46:44,990 --> 00:46:42,119
dimmer you know it's a pretty simple

1191
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:45,000
formula too the energy diminishes with

1192
00:46:48,410 --> 00:46:46,319
distance

1193
00:46:50,930 --> 00:46:48,420
another really interesting part is the

1194
00:46:53,210 --> 00:46:50,940
more mice the stronger the effect is

1195
00:46:54,890 --> 00:46:53,220
that accurate and yeah I've never looked

1196
00:46:56,510 --> 00:46:54,900
at I don't think you have the more

1197
00:46:58,670 --> 00:46:56,520
healers because I've been part of

1198
00:47:01,069 --> 00:46:58,680
healing groups where yeah it's more

1199
00:47:02,809 --> 00:47:01,079
healers with one person being healed and

1200
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:02,819
I tried to get the person who's a pretty

1201
00:47:08,270 --> 00:47:05,520
well-known name information passed on to

1202
00:47:09,770 --> 00:47:08,280
say no don't use more healers use more

1203
00:47:11,390 --> 00:47:09,780
people who need healing to see what

1204
00:47:14,089 --> 00:47:11,400
happens yeah

1205
00:47:17,089 --> 00:47:14,099
yeah I think that would matter I I and I

1206
00:47:19,250 --> 00:47:17,099
I suspect more Healers

1207
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:19,260
doesn't have an additive effect but it

1208
00:47:23,870 --> 00:47:21,119
has an increasing effect

1209
00:47:26,270 --> 00:47:23,880
to a certain length of time or a certain

1210
00:47:28,370 --> 00:47:26,280
number of healers but I think that

1211
00:47:31,130 --> 00:47:28,380
healing primarily comes from the Healy

1212
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:31,140
and so I think there's probably a

1213
00:47:36,890 --> 00:47:33,839
process appealing that it's up to the

1214
00:47:38,450 --> 00:47:36,900
healy's body to figure out uh and

1215
00:47:40,490 --> 00:47:38,460
they're taking information they're not

1216
00:47:42,650 --> 00:47:40,500
taking energy I mean you know it's

1217
00:47:44,750 --> 00:47:42,660
speculative on my part I can't put it up

1218
00:47:48,050 --> 00:47:44,760
here and say it is information rather

1219
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:48,060
than energy because I can't I can't

1220
00:47:51,650 --> 00:47:50,160
prove that I can prove to you distance

1221
00:47:53,870 --> 00:47:51,660
is irrelevant

1222
00:47:56,690 --> 00:47:53,880
I can prove to you cures are all over

1223
00:47:58,430 --> 00:47:56,700
the place I can I can prove to you dose

1224
00:47:59,630 --> 00:47:58,440
response there is a dose response

1225
00:48:02,450 --> 00:47:59,640
meaning

1226
00:48:04,130 --> 00:48:02,460
healing isn't a miracle you know it

1227
00:48:06,109 --> 00:48:04,140
doesn't you wave your magic wand and

1228
00:48:09,050 --> 00:48:06,119
everything is is fine it doesn't work

1229
00:48:10,910 --> 00:48:09,060
that way uh there is a minimum amount of

1230
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:10,920
treatment we've we've cut way back way

1231
00:48:14,809 --> 00:48:13,200
back way back trying to see and and

1232
00:48:20,829 --> 00:48:14,819
start some of the mice start to get

1233
00:48:27,410 --> 00:48:23,890
it doesn't conform to distance

1234
00:48:30,170 --> 00:48:27,420
parameters is not a Field Effect

1235
00:48:33,890 --> 00:48:30,180
meaning I don't put out healing Vibes

1236
00:48:35,870 --> 00:48:33,900
and they cover a geographical area

1237
00:48:37,309 --> 00:48:35,880
um and anything within that Vibe is

1238
00:48:40,190 --> 00:48:37,319
going to be affected

1239
00:48:42,530 --> 00:48:40,200
it's it's it's it's it's much more

1240
00:48:43,849 --> 00:48:42,540
complex than that it is not a generic

1241
00:48:46,550 --> 00:48:43,859
field effect that I could show you

1242
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:46,560
interesting experiments but it's not a

1243
00:48:50,690 --> 00:48:48,720
generic Field Effect it seems to

1244
00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:50,700
actually Target

1245
00:48:57,170 --> 00:48:54,000
so Consciousness is in there somehow a

1246
00:48:59,690 --> 00:48:57,180
specific Target is in there somehow and

1247
00:49:01,790 --> 00:48:59,700
it can skip anything in the middle and

1248
00:49:05,089 --> 00:49:01,800
then hit a Target on the other side

1249
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:05,099
so if we put a bunch of mice here and a

1250
00:49:08,750 --> 00:49:06,960
bunch of mice here who are the actual

1251
00:49:10,550 --> 00:49:08,760
Target it'll hit the target without

1252
00:49:12,170 --> 00:49:10,560
affecting the other mice and it's

1253
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:12,180
similar and and when I see when I hear

1254
00:49:17,329 --> 00:49:14,640
that it's it's similar to remote viewing

1255
00:49:18,109 --> 00:49:17,339
you know you give remote viewers a

1256
00:49:20,030 --> 00:49:18,119
number

1257
00:49:22,370 --> 00:49:20,040
somehow whatever part of the person

1258
00:49:24,290 --> 00:49:22,380
whether it's the quantum part of the

1259
00:49:26,450 --> 00:49:24,300
person the holographic person the

1260
00:49:28,670 --> 00:49:26,460
subconscious part of the person it knows

1261
00:49:30,410 --> 00:49:28,680
what you want it knows what you're going

1262
00:49:31,849 --> 00:49:30,420
for and that's not you don't always get

1263
00:49:34,730 --> 00:49:31,859
accurate information but when you are

1264
00:49:36,109 --> 00:49:34,740
it's like dead on somehow some part of

1265
00:49:37,490 --> 00:49:36,119
you knows and just like you said some

1266
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:37,500
part of you knows which mice you want

1267
00:49:41,329 --> 00:49:39,359
healed something happens yeah something

1268
00:49:44,089 --> 00:49:41,339
happens and it's targeted and remote

1269
00:49:46,089 --> 00:49:44,099
viewing can get crazier too because it

1270
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:46,099
remote viewing two distances irrelevant

1271
00:49:50,510 --> 00:49:49,200
and if distance is irrelevant and you're

1272
00:51:58,069 --> 00:49:50,520
a

1273
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:58,079
you know you've seen

1274
00:52:01,790 --> 00:52:00,240
genetic charts and all that stuff it

1275
00:52:03,170 --> 00:52:01,800
followed a pattern like this is

1276
00:52:05,390 --> 00:52:03,180
inheritable

1277
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:05,400
and some of the mice The Offspring of

1278
00:52:11,210 --> 00:52:08,640
these spontaneously immune mice

1279
00:52:13,130 --> 00:52:11,220
couldn't get cancer and their kids

1280
00:52:16,430 --> 00:52:13,140
couldn't get cancer some got it some

1281
00:52:20,089 --> 00:52:16,440
didn't get it but it followed a a a kind

1282
00:52:21,410 --> 00:52:20,099
of a a normal genetic kind of markers uh

1283
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:21,420
and so he spent quite a bit of time

1284
00:52:25,970 --> 00:52:23,520
trying to figure out how to unravel that

1285
00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:25,980
and as far as I'm aware he has not been

1286
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:28,559
able to unravel it yet interesting a

1287
00:52:33,770 --> 00:52:31,680
long-winded way of saying no I haven't

1288
00:52:35,390 --> 00:52:33,780
tried this yet

1289
00:52:40,670 --> 00:52:35,400
um

1290
00:52:44,270 --> 00:52:40,680
Mouse in bread mice I can tell you that

1291
00:52:45,349 --> 00:52:44,280
mice which are cured are immune to the

1292
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:45,359
cancer

1293
00:52:50,210 --> 00:52:47,520
for the rest of their life

1294
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:50,220
and so something real is going on and I

1295
00:52:54,589 --> 00:52:52,079
have some mechanism of action stuff here

1296
00:52:56,270 --> 00:52:54,599
on the immune system I'm not gonna not

1297
00:52:59,089 --> 00:52:56,280
gonna go into it's it's a little on the

1298
00:53:00,950 --> 00:52:59,099
geeky side uh but we've done genomic

1299
00:53:02,990 --> 00:53:00,960
kinds of studies on what the mechanism

1300
00:53:05,870 --> 00:53:03,000
of action might be and does it follow

1301
00:53:07,490 --> 00:53:05,880
this line in that line and mice which

1302
00:53:10,609 --> 00:53:07,500
are cured

1303
00:53:13,130 --> 00:53:10,619
can't be given cancer again and it's

1304
00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:13,140
more than that we can take mice from

1305
00:53:16,970 --> 00:53:15,839
those cured mice put it into a sick

1306
00:53:20,270 --> 00:53:16,980
Mouse

1307
00:53:24,349 --> 00:53:20,280
healing intervention

1308
00:53:26,089 --> 00:53:24,359
and so what is likely is that we have

1309
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:26,099
some sort of a stimulated immune

1310
00:53:30,049 --> 00:53:27,119
response

1311
00:53:32,809 --> 00:53:30,059
that may be in fact able to be turned

1312
00:53:35,210 --> 00:53:32,819
into something akin to a vaccine

1313
00:53:37,309 --> 00:53:35,220
yeah that's the exciting part uh which

1314
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:37,319
will get to more when Dean comes here I

1315
00:53:41,390 --> 00:53:39,839
had a question from Jessica asking about

1316
00:53:42,650 --> 00:53:41,400
some of your methods do you think they

1317
00:53:45,170 --> 00:53:42,660
could also be used the other way

1318
00:53:47,329 --> 00:53:45,180
negatively kind of like people who are

1319
00:53:49,069 --> 00:53:47,339
involved in Wicca or putting spells on

1320
00:53:52,190 --> 00:53:49,079
people using it for negative I mean have

1321
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:52,200
you ever thought about that

1322
00:53:57,230 --> 00:53:54,240
I've thought about it

1323
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:57,240
um I wouldn't want to take part in an

1324
00:54:01,609 --> 00:53:59,280
experiment where we were trying to do

1325
00:54:02,750 --> 00:54:01,619
something negative you could always make

1326
00:54:04,010 --> 00:54:02,760
a case that you're doing something

1327
00:54:05,630 --> 00:54:04,020
negative when you're doing healing

1328
00:54:08,089 --> 00:54:05,640
research you know I mean I'm injecting

1329
00:54:10,130 --> 00:54:08,099
mice with cancer for crying out loud uh

1330
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:10,140
that's not that's not a good thing you

1331
00:54:14,329 --> 00:54:12,720
know and then we rationalize it after uh

1332
00:54:14,930 --> 00:54:14,339
but it's it's

1333
00:54:16,970 --> 00:54:14,940
um

1334
00:54:19,730 --> 00:54:16,980
I don't think I don't think it would be

1335
00:54:22,010 --> 00:54:19,740
a smart thing to do to do uh to bring

1336
00:54:23,809 --> 00:54:22,020
about a negative effect

1337
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:23,819
but I've never tried it I've never tried

1338
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:26,160
it formally when did you realize that

1339
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:27,119
your

1340
00:54:32,750 --> 00:54:30,960
healing method allegedly also is a

1341
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:32,760
manifesting method which I know it's

1342
00:54:36,349 --> 00:54:34,800
really impossible it's really as far as

1343
00:54:38,809 --> 00:54:36,359
I know it's really impossible to prove

1344
00:54:40,849 --> 00:54:38,819
that manifesting is real you could say

1345
00:54:42,530 --> 00:54:40,859
oh he got the car he wanted but that can

1346
00:54:45,049 --> 00:54:42,540
come from so many places but went along

1347
00:54:46,730 --> 00:54:45,059
along the lines when did you realize you

1348
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:46,740
know it seems like the healing method is

1349
00:54:50,750 --> 00:54:48,960
also getting me things that I have on my

1350
00:54:53,150 --> 00:54:50,760
list and for people who don't know it's

1351
00:54:54,530 --> 00:54:53,160
in the cup in the notes I have a link to

1352
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:54,540
the method which is available online

1353
00:55:01,309 --> 00:54:57,599
there's a link in there so Bill any idea

1354
00:55:04,609 --> 00:55:01,319
when you figured it out or very early on

1355
00:55:07,069 --> 00:55:04,619
early on very early on so the cycling

1356
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:07,079
technique which turns out to be a

1357
00:55:13,549 --> 00:55:10,559
manifesting technique uh I I never had

1358
00:55:16,190 --> 00:55:13,559
heard the of the word manifest but

1359
00:55:19,250 --> 00:55:16,200
um it is a manifesting technique was was

1360
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:19,260
recognized pretty early on and and the

1361
00:55:25,390 --> 00:55:20,880
healing could be one of the things

1362
00:55:32,930 --> 00:55:29,109
and I think that the when you're healing

1363
00:55:35,809 --> 00:55:32,940
or you're cycling and you're doing I

1364
00:55:39,890 --> 00:55:35,819
think you're you may be healing trying

1365
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:39,900
to fix somebody else but I think healing

1366
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:41,760
you're also you're also giving yourself

1367
00:55:45,890 --> 00:55:44,400
a treatment and that's among the reasons

1368
00:55:48,530 --> 00:55:45,900
I wouldn't be a big fan of doing

1369
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:48,540
something negative

1370
00:55:52,250 --> 00:55:50,400
which answers this question or somebody

1371
00:55:54,290 --> 00:55:52,260
said you know what's the effect on the

1372
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:54,300
Healer can we use this to hear I'll heal

1373
00:55:58,490 --> 00:55:56,640
ourselves yes yes

1374
00:56:00,530 --> 00:55:58,500
um it's harder though it's hard to heal

1375
00:56:03,530 --> 00:56:00,540
yourself because there's a certain

1376
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:03,540
amount of Detachment in involved

1377
00:56:10,190 --> 00:56:07,200
um if I go to and actually let me let me

1378
00:56:13,309 --> 00:56:10,200
go to the my middle my middle bullet

1379
00:56:14,690 --> 00:56:13,319
here belief is irrelevant

1380
00:56:17,569 --> 00:56:14,700
um

1381
00:56:20,210 --> 00:56:17,579
I I think belief is all all things being

1382
00:56:22,430 --> 00:56:20,220
equal famous statistical cop-out but all

1383
00:56:24,589 --> 00:56:22,440
things being equal I think belief is is

1384
00:56:27,170 --> 00:56:24,599
is a little bit negative

1385
00:56:30,349 --> 00:56:27,180
uh people who believe stuff I'm not a

1386
00:56:32,270 --> 00:56:30,359
Believer people who believe stuff spend

1387
00:56:34,970 --> 00:56:32,280
a lot of time reinforcing their own

1388
00:56:39,950 --> 00:56:37,910
and the the Believers don't want to be

1389
00:56:42,290 --> 00:56:39,960
talked out of their position

1390
00:56:45,530 --> 00:56:42,300
Skeptics are open

1391
00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:45,540
a Believer up near and so if you're a

1392
00:56:50,930 --> 00:56:48,240
Believer and you're trying to heal it's

1393
00:56:53,930 --> 00:56:50,940
almost like you take this personally and

1394
00:56:56,930 --> 00:56:53,940
there's a tendency to try

1395
00:57:00,170 --> 00:56:56,940
and a tendency to try or to focus or to

1396
00:57:01,549 --> 00:57:00,180
bring about your conscious mind involved

1397
00:57:04,849 --> 00:57:01,559
in healing

1398
00:57:08,210 --> 00:57:04,859
doesn't help the process at all healing

1399
00:57:11,569 --> 00:57:08,220
is more and more an autonomic response

1400
00:57:13,549 --> 00:57:11,579
to the need of the heli rather than the

1401
00:57:16,190 --> 00:57:13,559
belief reinforcement of either the

1402
00:57:18,290 --> 00:57:16,200
Healer or the healing

1403
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:18,300
that that made me think again about

1404
00:57:21,710 --> 00:57:20,160
remote viewing some of the some of the

1405
00:57:23,930 --> 00:57:21,720
targets Maybe

1406
00:57:26,030 --> 00:57:23,940
if the person the target is something

1407
00:57:28,190 --> 00:57:26,040
that's really important like we need to

1408
00:57:30,049 --> 00:57:28,200
find out where this hostage is located

1409
00:57:32,270 --> 00:57:30,059
otherwise they're going to be killed in

1410
00:57:34,370 --> 00:57:32,280
the next week that's a really important

1411
00:57:36,530 --> 00:57:34,380
need I'm not sure if there's any data

1412
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:36,540
that shows the remote viewing is more

1413
00:57:40,790 --> 00:57:38,640
accurate when the need is that extreme

1414
00:57:43,370 --> 00:57:40,800
or when it's just a Target oh a

1415
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:43,380
waterfall Target yeah I don't know the

1416
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:45,839
answer yeah I I don't know but in the

1417
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:47,520
case of healing you know and going back

1418
00:57:52,069 --> 00:57:48,960
to the question can you heal yourself

1419
00:57:54,650 --> 00:57:52,079
it's hard because healing involves a

1420
00:57:56,809 --> 00:57:54,660
certain amount of Detachment rather than

1421
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:56,819
Focus rather than trying rather than

1422
00:58:03,190 --> 00:57:59,520
concentration rather than being present

1423
00:58:07,370 --> 00:58:05,510
your most important instruction when I

1424
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:07,380
took your class your manifesting healing

1425
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:10,319
classes have fun try all different

1426
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:12,000
things if you if there's no wrong

1427
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:14,160
answers somebody asked me is there can

1428
00:58:18,170 --> 00:58:16,319
does he recommend playing videos of your

1429
00:58:19,790 --> 00:58:18,180
images to help you with the manifesting

1430
00:58:22,130 --> 00:58:19,800
and like yeah whatever works for you

1431
00:58:22,970 --> 00:58:22,140
works yeah and then don't fall into a

1432
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:22,980
rut

1433
00:58:28,730 --> 00:58:25,680
so the trick is how to be playful and

1434
00:58:30,170 --> 00:58:28,740
how to how to avoid ritual

1435
00:58:31,730 --> 00:58:30,180
and for people who don't know what we're

1436
00:58:34,730 --> 00:58:31,740
talking about basically they'll ask you

1437
00:58:36,890 --> 00:58:34,740
to come up with 20 items on a list as an

1438
00:58:39,170 --> 00:58:36,900
example I have a broken leg I want my

1439
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:39,180
leg to heal so I imagine myself running

1440
00:58:43,670 --> 00:58:41,520
around on a track that means my leg is

1441
00:58:45,650 --> 00:58:43,680
healed you come up with 20 items like

1442
00:58:48,289 --> 00:58:45,660
that and you cycle through them really

1443
00:58:49,970 --> 00:58:48,299
fast until it becomes a blur that's

1444
00:58:51,530 --> 00:58:49,980
basically the system just so people know

1445
00:58:53,089 --> 00:58:51,540
what we're talking about yeah that's the

1446
00:58:55,309 --> 00:58:53,099
plot

1447
00:58:57,049 --> 00:58:55,319
um so what a doctor is oncologist what

1448
00:58:59,329 --> 00:58:57,059
do they say to you when you lecture to

1449
00:59:02,030 --> 00:58:59,339
them when when you get them private

1450
00:59:04,609 --> 00:59:02,040
in a conversation well it I mean it it

1451
00:59:07,250 --> 00:59:04,619
depends who you you're talking to uh

1452
00:59:10,250 --> 00:59:07,260
I've spoken to skeptic societies

1453
00:59:11,690 --> 00:59:10,260
where I I generally insult them I start

1454
00:59:13,730 --> 00:59:11,700
out by insulting them and say I'm the

1455
00:59:15,890 --> 00:59:13,740
only skeptic in the room

1456
00:59:18,410 --> 00:59:15,900
and then they get all twisted and make

1457
00:59:20,329 --> 00:59:18,420
contorted faces and such and I said I'm

1458
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:20,339
the only skeptic in the room because I I

1459
00:59:23,450 --> 00:59:22,079
don't know the truth you people already

1460
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:23,460
know the truth you already know that

1461
00:59:28,069 --> 00:59:26,160
what I haven't yet said is wrong

1462
00:59:29,150 --> 00:59:28,079
uh and you already believe that I'm

1463
00:59:31,730 --> 00:59:29,160
wrong and you don't even know what I'm

1464
00:59:32,930 --> 00:59:31,740
going to say and then at the end of a

1465
00:59:35,150 --> 00:59:32,940
talk

1466
00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:35,160
you have a social constraint you don't

1467
00:59:40,010 --> 00:59:37,200
want to be seen with the crazy person

1468
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:40,020
so people will go out of their way to

1469
00:59:44,089 --> 00:59:42,240
come by and and whisper in my ear that

1470
00:59:45,470 --> 00:59:44,099
was great uh but they don't want to say

1471
00:59:48,530 --> 00:59:45,480
it out loud because there's too much

1472
00:59:52,130 --> 00:59:50,089
you know you're trying to be part of

1473
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:52,140
this tribe the tribe that alleges to be

1474
00:59:55,130 --> 00:59:53,520
skeptical they're not skeptical they're

1475
00:59:56,930 --> 00:59:55,140
Believers

1476
00:59:59,690 --> 00:59:56,940
um and then some crazy person comes in

1477
01:00:02,990 --> 00:59:59,700
I've had I've given talks in Departments

1478
01:00:06,069 --> 01:00:03,000
of oncology in medical schools and had

1479
01:00:09,470 --> 01:00:06,079
people 75 oncologists

1480
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:09,480
down the hall in in extra meeting rooms

1481
01:00:13,069 --> 01:00:11,280
they had to set up you know and beam in

1482
01:00:15,289 --> 01:00:13,079
the The Talk

1483
01:00:17,450 --> 01:00:15,299
try to cut and I've had these people try

1484
01:00:18,770 --> 01:00:17,460
to cut my knees out for hours you know

1485
01:00:21,349 --> 01:00:18,780
and at the end I generally get a

1486
01:00:22,970 --> 01:00:21,359
standing ovation because they go

1487
01:00:24,109 --> 01:00:22,980
we can't find a flow on what you're

1488
01:00:25,490 --> 01:00:24,119
doing

1489
01:00:27,170 --> 01:00:25,500
now that doesn't mean they're going to

1490
01:00:30,349 --> 01:00:27,180
follow up with it

1491
01:00:33,170 --> 01:00:30,359
it just means I get I'm I'm very well

1492
01:00:37,010 --> 01:00:35,390
I want to talk about something that's

1493
01:00:38,990 --> 01:00:37,020
one of the most fascinating things to me

1494
01:00:40,730 --> 01:00:39,000
placebo effect because I'm pretty sure

1495
01:00:42,049 --> 01:00:40,740
you do not believe it's mind over matter

1496
01:00:45,730 --> 01:00:42,059
no

1497
01:00:48,349 --> 01:00:45,740
I think placebo effect is an actual

1498
01:00:51,349 --> 01:00:48,359
resonant connection of spatially

1499
01:00:55,250 --> 01:00:53,569
and when I when I'm that was Godly good

1500
01:00:57,589 --> 01:00:55,260
but

1501
01:01:05,329 --> 01:01:02,510
in placebos if you do an experiment

1502
01:01:06,650 --> 01:01:05,339
there's a certain series of assumptions

1503
01:01:09,589 --> 01:01:06,660
that you're making when you do an

1504
01:01:11,390 --> 01:01:09,599
experiment so we may go into the lab and

1505
01:01:13,309 --> 01:01:11,400
say well this is tightly controlled and

1506
01:01:16,190 --> 01:01:13,319
all that stuff but the reality is

1507
01:01:18,049 --> 01:01:16,200
there's a series of assumptions if

1508
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:18,059
you're doing an experiment one of the

1509
01:01:23,390 --> 01:01:20,160
assumptions is if you're physically

1510
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:27,530
if there's resonant bonding

1511
01:01:31,609 --> 01:01:29,930
and I can connect with you

1512
01:01:33,230 --> 01:01:31,619
and I can demonstrate that we can

1513
01:01:35,210 --> 01:01:33,240
physiologically connect from a distance

1514
01:01:37,730 --> 01:01:35,220
I can show our brains going into

1515
01:01:40,010 --> 01:01:37,740
resonance for example

1516
01:01:46,849 --> 01:01:40,020
if I can show that I'm connected to you

1517
01:01:50,690 --> 01:01:48,770
I don't think that's necessarily a

1518
01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:50,700
suggestion I think it's an actual

1519
01:01:56,390 --> 01:01:53,520
physical resonant bonding in bonding

1520
01:01:58,309 --> 01:01:56,400
everybody here has experience bonding

1521
01:02:00,950 --> 01:01:58,319
you felt a connection you felt a

1522
01:02:04,549 --> 01:02:02,510
and it could be the same thing it could

1523
01:02:06,289 --> 01:02:04,559
be your dog you love your dog on Monday

1524
01:02:09,109 --> 01:02:06,299
you hate your dog on Tuesday what change

1525
01:02:11,450 --> 01:02:09,119
it's not the dog it's the connection you

1526
01:02:13,789 --> 01:02:11,460
have I always love my dog Bill there are

1527
01:02:15,910 --> 01:02:13,799
no days I don't love my dog you could

1528
01:02:19,130 --> 01:02:15,920
say my Ex-Wives

1529
01:02:21,349 --> 01:02:19,140
we could say a girlfriend or a friend

1530
01:02:24,650 --> 01:02:21,359
I'll let you make the list of what

1531
01:02:26,329 --> 01:02:24,660
you're supposed to do or not uh but you

1532
01:02:28,190 --> 01:02:26,339
you know what I'm talking about whether

1533
01:02:31,250 --> 01:02:28,200
it's yeah if it's not your dog it's your

1534
01:02:32,510 --> 01:02:31,260
ex-wife uh you'll you you you have a

1535
01:02:34,370 --> 01:02:32,520
connection one day you have a

1536
01:02:35,930 --> 01:02:34,380
disconnection and you can have a

1537
01:02:39,589 --> 01:02:35,940
connection or a disconnection to people

1538
01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:39,599
the places the things to ideas

1539
01:02:45,890 --> 01:02:43,200
and I think healing is a connection

1540
01:02:49,010 --> 01:02:45,900
but I think Placebo effects

1541
01:02:52,549 --> 01:02:49,020
are really an example of connections

1542
01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:57,170
so let's say we're doing a drug trial

1543
01:03:00,289 --> 01:02:58,890
sorry but

1544
01:03:07,069 --> 01:03:00,299
[Music]

1545
01:03:11,690 --> 01:03:08,750
I think I got it

1546
01:03:13,970 --> 01:03:11,700
uh if if you're doing a drug trial and

1547
01:03:16,010 --> 01:03:13,980
you have a group of people a group of

1548
01:03:18,829 --> 01:03:16,020
volunteers and half of them get a drug

1549
01:03:20,809 --> 01:03:18,839
and half Kettle Placebo the placebo may

1550
01:03:22,190 --> 01:03:20,819
not be completely independent of the

1551
01:03:25,130 --> 01:03:22,200
drug people

1552
01:03:26,390 --> 01:03:25,140
if they're bonded and one group takes a

1553
01:03:27,890 --> 01:03:26,400
drug I think there's going to be an

1554
01:03:29,569 --> 01:03:27,900
effect on the other I don't think I'm

1555
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:29,579
reasonably confident

1556
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:32,160
I get Placebo effects that exactly

1557
01:03:36,589 --> 01:03:34,319
mirror what happens in people but I get

1558
01:03:39,710 --> 01:03:36,599
them in mice I get them in cell cultures

1559
01:03:42,109 --> 01:03:39,720
I get them all over the place

1560
01:03:43,849 --> 01:03:42,119
I don't think cell cultures are

1561
01:03:45,950 --> 01:03:43,859
particularly suggestible

1562
01:03:48,470 --> 01:03:45,960
I'm reasonably confident that mice are

1563
01:03:51,289 --> 01:03:48,480
not particularly suggestible

1564
01:03:53,630 --> 01:03:51,299
but if I have bonded mice and I treat

1565
01:03:55,490 --> 01:03:53,640
one I'm going to also be treating the

1566
01:03:57,650 --> 01:03:55,500
controls

1567
01:03:59,150 --> 01:03:57,660
what's the 30 secret a dirty little

1568
01:04:00,589 --> 01:03:59,160
secret that you've spoken about which I

1569
01:04:03,049 --> 01:04:00,599
did not know about

1570
01:04:04,609 --> 01:04:03,059
um with Placebo effects oh there's a

1571
01:04:09,530 --> 01:04:04,619
bunch of dirty little secrets among them

1572
01:04:16,789 --> 01:04:11,870
as the number of people in a study get

1573
01:04:19,910 --> 01:04:18,710
that shouldn't happen that shouldn't

1574
01:04:22,130 --> 01:04:19,920
happen there's no way to make that right

1575
01:04:24,049 --> 01:04:22,140
so if you let's say we're doing a drug

1576
01:04:26,630 --> 01:04:24,059
trial and we go to

1577
01:04:28,130 --> 01:04:26,640
the different stages and phases and all

1578
01:04:28,910 --> 01:04:28,140
that stuff of drug trial you have a

1579
01:04:34,730 --> 01:04:28,920
small

1580
01:04:36,770 --> 01:04:34,740
test for safety and we call it phase two

1581
01:04:38,630 --> 01:04:36,780
and then we have a larger clinical trial

1582
01:04:40,569 --> 01:04:38,640
phase three well what happens is the

1583
01:04:43,309 --> 01:04:40,579
placebo effect gets stronger on on

1584
01:04:46,190 --> 01:04:43,319
replication and the placebo effect gets

1585
01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:46,200
stronger as the sample size gets larger

1586
01:04:54,530 --> 01:04:52,250
in the case of mice

1587
01:04:59,150 --> 01:04:54,540
the more mice we have in an experiment

1588
01:05:02,569 --> 01:05:01,010
it's all consistent

1589
01:05:03,770 --> 01:05:02,579
and I don't know if you just said I

1590
01:05:07,370 --> 01:05:03,780
might have just missed it if I was

1591
01:05:08,930 --> 01:05:07,380
distracted on questions but what I know

1592
01:05:10,910 --> 01:05:08,940
did you talk about how sometimes the

1593
01:05:13,609 --> 01:05:10,920
drug if you increase the drug the

1594
01:05:15,589 --> 01:05:13,619
placebo effect goes up x amount exactly

1595
01:05:17,990 --> 01:05:15,599
it was a proportion that shouldn't

1596
01:05:19,490 --> 01:05:18,000
happening it's another dirty there's a

1597
01:05:21,650 --> 01:05:19,500
bunch of dirty little secrets but here's

1598
01:05:24,589 --> 01:05:21,660
another dirty little secret you have X

1599
01:05:27,049 --> 01:05:24,599
drug which produces X effect

1600
01:05:29,569 --> 01:05:27,059
and then you up at the 2x drug

1601
01:05:31,609 --> 01:05:29,579
you're going to get 2x placebo effect it

1602
01:05:33,890 --> 01:05:31,619
goes proportionate to the strength of

1603
01:05:35,089 --> 01:05:33,900
the drug used in the other group and

1604
01:05:37,069 --> 01:05:35,099
that shouldn't happen because the people

1605
01:05:39,530 --> 01:05:37,079
getting the placebo do not know that the

1606
01:05:40,970 --> 01:05:39,540
people don't know what they're getting

1607
01:05:42,950 --> 01:05:40,980
yeah that's what they're getting and

1608
01:05:44,390 --> 01:05:42,960
they don't know the dose so they to

1609
01:05:46,010 --> 01:05:44,400
people who work in those studies just

1610
01:05:47,270 --> 01:05:46,020
ignore it yes

1611
01:05:50,569 --> 01:05:47,280
yeah

1612
01:05:51,770 --> 01:05:50,579
think that physical separation means

1613
01:05:57,170 --> 01:05:51,780
Independence

1614
01:05:58,730 --> 01:05:57,180
you're over here I'm over there

1615
01:06:02,510 --> 01:05:58,740
you stick a pin in me it's not going to

1616
01:06:05,150 --> 01:06:02,520
affect you well what if it does right

1617
01:06:08,089 --> 01:06:05,160
so if you get Placebo effects that are

1618
01:06:09,770 --> 01:06:08,099
look like human effects in mice you got

1619
01:06:11,930 --> 01:06:09,780
to scratch your head and say maybe it's

1620
01:06:13,730 --> 01:06:11,940
not suggestion you get Placebo effects

1621
01:06:15,589 --> 01:06:13,740
and cell cultures maybe it's not

1622
01:06:17,210 --> 01:06:15,599
suggestion

1623
01:06:19,250 --> 01:06:17,220
it's not suggesting there's no way

1624
01:06:21,410 --> 01:06:19,260
unless the mice are reading your mind

1625
01:06:24,049 --> 01:06:21,420
and realizing you know what I think Bill

1626
01:06:25,849 --> 01:06:24,059
just gave me some healing yeah it's

1627
01:06:27,650 --> 01:06:25,859
ridiculous um what's the percentage

1628
01:06:30,770 --> 01:06:27,660
healing success rate how many mics were

1629
01:06:33,710 --> 01:06:30,780
people do not get healed

1630
01:06:36,230 --> 01:06:33,720
uh the the people that talk to it's hard

1631
01:06:37,490 --> 01:06:36,240
to I I just put up a new slide that says

1632
01:06:39,230 --> 01:06:37,500
what we don't know

1633
01:06:42,349 --> 01:06:39,240
you know this is going to be much longer

1634
01:06:43,609 --> 01:06:42,359
than what we know uh the percentage of

1635
01:06:46,309 --> 01:06:43,619
mice

1636
01:06:47,990 --> 01:06:46,319
I'm probably we've had a couple of

1637
01:06:50,450 --> 01:06:48,000
failures of mice

1638
01:06:54,829 --> 01:06:50,460
I don't have a figure off the top I

1639
01:06:58,849 --> 01:06:54,839
would say for total lifespan cure

1640
01:07:03,410 --> 01:07:01,490
a little higher but you know in that in

1641
01:07:05,329 --> 01:07:03,420
that range

1642
01:07:07,910 --> 01:07:05,339
in the case of people I don't know

1643
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:07,920
because I I don't have is it one of the

1644
01:07:11,990 --> 01:07:09,599
reasons you're going to the lab you

1645
01:07:13,549 --> 01:07:12,000
don't have a steady denominator you

1646
01:07:15,650 --> 01:07:13,559
don't have you can't follow a certain

1647
01:07:18,710 --> 01:07:15,660
number of people and then say what what

1648
01:07:20,450 --> 01:07:18,720
percentage got cured because in the case

1649
01:07:23,029 --> 01:07:20,460
of clinical stuff

1650
01:07:25,789 --> 01:07:23,039
people say

1651
01:07:27,410 --> 01:07:25,799
they leave you know they get a treatment

1652
01:07:29,930 --> 01:07:27,420
and what happens if they don't come back

1653
01:07:32,390 --> 01:07:29,940
I don't know and that's called a file

1654
01:07:33,829 --> 01:07:32,400
drawer problem uh people disappear and

1655
01:07:35,569 --> 01:07:33,839
what happens to them what happens to

1656
01:07:37,430 --> 01:07:35,579
them 10 years after they were allegedly

1657
01:07:40,670 --> 01:07:37,440
cured I don't know

1658
01:07:42,950 --> 01:07:40,680
so I can't give you a success rate on

1659
01:07:45,410 --> 01:07:42,960
clinical stuff I would just say for

1660
01:07:47,690 --> 01:07:45,420
those people

1661
01:07:50,390 --> 01:07:47,700
who take treatment and will come back

1662
01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:50,400
and keep taking treatment it's got to be

1663
01:07:55,789 --> 01:07:53,760
very high that they're they're fixed but

1664
01:07:57,770 --> 01:07:55,799
I I can't give you a figure it'd be

1665
01:07:59,450 --> 01:07:57,780
crazy something we could talk about when

1666
01:08:01,789 --> 01:07:59,460
Dean gets here quantum entanglement

1667
01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:01,799
double slit experiment connected to all

1668
01:08:08,390 --> 01:08:05,760
this yeah that's the uh I'll let Dean

1669
01:08:11,210 --> 01:08:08,400
predle on about that okay I would say at

1670
01:08:13,789 --> 01:08:11,220
least metaphorically there is uh because

1671
01:08:17,030 --> 01:08:13,799
there's metaphorically something similar

1672
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:17,040
to Quantum things people use the word

1673
01:08:25,329 --> 01:08:20,880
Quantum excessively uh Dean uses it

1674
01:08:27,650 --> 01:08:25,339
appropriately he is a seriously

1675
01:08:29,390 --> 01:08:27,660
knowledgeable guy in terms of quantum

1676
01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:29,400
effects and things along those lines so

1677
01:08:33,890 --> 01:08:31,199
I I wouldn't if he's coming I wouldn't

1678
01:08:36,349 --> 01:08:33,900
presume to speculate all right

1679
01:08:38,150 --> 01:08:36,359
bill I do a lot of UFO work that's my

1680
01:08:40,550 --> 01:08:38,160
main work although that's gonna change

1681
01:08:43,070 --> 01:08:40,560
because I love this stuff and I love

1682
01:08:45,110 --> 01:08:43,080
holographic universe that's semi in the

1683
01:08:46,189 --> 01:08:45,120
simulation Theory let me just I don't

1684
01:08:49,130 --> 01:08:46,199
know you don't want to talk about this

1685
01:08:51,229 --> 01:08:49,140
but feel free but so Jim semivan has a

1686
01:08:53,689 --> 01:08:51,239
big name in this field he is a former

1687
01:08:55,550 --> 01:08:53,699
CIA spy he was pretty pretty high up on

1688
01:08:56,809 --> 01:08:55,560
the CIA respected

1689
01:08:58,370 --> 01:08:56,819
um he's spoken about his abduction

1690
01:09:01,550 --> 01:08:58,380
experience he's taught he's spoken about

1691
01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:01,560
seeing a hooded Bean come through a wall

1692
01:09:05,749 --> 01:09:04,080
at the same time his friend died down in

1693
01:09:08,090 --> 01:09:05,759
Florida maybe a connection then we have

1694
01:09:09,829 --> 01:09:08,100
a Stanford University immunologist Gary

1695
01:09:12,289 --> 01:09:09,839
Nolan who has spoken about having little

1696
01:09:14,570 --> 01:09:12,299
men in his uh bedroom when he was

1697
01:09:16,490 --> 01:09:14,580
younger seeing a UFO so more people are

1698
01:09:19,010 --> 01:09:16,500
starting to talk about anomalous

1699
01:09:20,870 --> 01:09:19,020
experiences are you able to share your

1700
01:09:22,370 --> 01:09:20,880
experiences with the fellas which you

1701
01:09:24,829 --> 01:09:22,380
write about and I know in the past you

1702
01:09:27,590 --> 01:09:24,839
haven't wanted to go there but maybe now

1703
01:09:30,530 --> 01:09:27,600
well I I mean I I don't I don't hide it

1704
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:30,540
I don't I don't uh dwell on it because I

1705
01:09:34,849 --> 01:09:32,400
don't spend a lot of time thinking about

1706
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:34,859
I don't know what to do uh but there

1707
01:09:37,729 --> 01:09:36,719
there are I don't know what you want to

1708
01:09:41,269 --> 01:09:37,739
call it

1709
01:09:47,329 --> 01:09:44,390
spooky things that go on

1710
01:09:49,970 --> 01:09:47,339
um I I you know I can see figures of

1711
01:09:51,530 --> 01:09:49,980
people uh from time to time you

1712
01:09:54,169 --> 01:09:51,540
certainly can have a sense that they're

1713
01:09:55,669 --> 01:09:54,179
there and we just started to call them

1714
01:09:59,270 --> 01:09:55,679
the fellas you know hi fellas you know

1715
01:10:00,590 --> 01:09:59,280
how's it going when we had a dog uh the

1716
01:10:01,750 --> 01:10:00,600
dog used to sit and watch where the

1717
01:10:05,330 --> 01:10:01,760
fellas are

1718
01:10:09,410 --> 01:10:05,340
it's it it it uh I mean we didn't make

1719
01:10:11,630 --> 01:10:09,420
it a major it's not a big intense thing

1720
01:10:14,390 --> 01:10:11,640
going on here it's like oh yeah they're

1721
01:10:16,189 --> 01:10:14,400
the fellas you know kind of a thing I

1722
01:10:19,970 --> 01:10:16,199
had I can tell you this I was giving a

1723
01:10:22,070 --> 01:10:19,980
talk in Germany once and I had this

1724
01:10:24,050 --> 01:10:22,080
literally a little old lady I mean

1725
01:10:26,689 --> 01:10:24,060
coming up in a in a walker kind of a

1726
01:10:28,970 --> 01:10:26,699
thing and she said I'm a psychic And I

1727
01:10:31,010 --> 01:10:28,980
said Okay and she goes no no I'm really

1728
01:10:34,070 --> 01:10:31,020
a psychic and I said I believe you I

1729
01:10:35,930 --> 01:10:34,080
believe you and and she said well I I

1730
01:10:39,350 --> 01:10:35,940
she started to stammer a little bit and

1731
01:10:41,510 --> 01:10:39,360
she said I just want to tell you that

1732
01:10:44,090 --> 01:10:41,520
there's a bunch of

1733
01:10:46,310 --> 01:10:44,100
people who were following you around I

1734
01:10:49,070 --> 01:10:46,320
said yeah those are the fellas and she

1735
01:10:52,010 --> 01:10:49,080
said but there's a lot of them I've

1736
01:10:54,530 --> 01:10:52,020
never seen so many I said okay tell them

1737
01:10:57,649 --> 01:10:54,540
I said hello you know but and she went

1738
01:11:00,709 --> 01:10:57,659
back to her chair uh for the next part

1739
01:11:02,630 --> 01:11:00,719
of the whatever the talk was so other

1740
01:11:05,390 --> 01:11:02,640
people have seen these these whatever

1741
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:05,400
they are soon so if that's if that's

1742
01:11:09,410 --> 01:11:07,440
real and these people and I know you've

1743
01:11:11,209 --> 01:11:09,420
said you've seen the fellows with other

1744
01:11:13,729 --> 01:11:11,219
people other Witnesses at the same time

1745
01:11:15,830 --> 01:11:13,739
if that's real it really says something

1746
01:11:18,350 --> 01:11:15,840
if they're real non-human intelligence

1747
01:11:20,450 --> 01:11:18,360
is from maybe another dimension just

1748
01:11:21,770 --> 01:11:20,460
something non-physical maybe human but

1749
01:11:23,870 --> 01:11:21,780
just non-physical

1750
01:11:25,669 --> 01:11:23,880
we may be having some help from the

1751
01:11:28,490 --> 01:11:25,679
other side is basically what it suggests

1752
01:11:30,350 --> 01:11:28,500
yeah again past my pay grade I'm just a

1753
01:11:32,750 --> 01:11:30,360
dork in the lab you know doing trying to

1754
01:11:35,030 --> 01:11:32,760
figure stuff out and making lists like I

1755
01:11:37,610 --> 01:11:35,040
have up here stuff we don't know and how

1756
01:11:39,290 --> 01:11:37,620
do we get the answer to that uh you know

1757
01:11:42,890 --> 01:11:39,300
some questions are interesting some

1758
01:11:45,290 --> 01:11:42,900
questions are curious some questions I

1759
01:11:47,990 --> 01:11:45,300
got nothing I don't know what to do

1760
01:11:52,250 --> 01:11:49,669
the list of stuff we don't know is

1761
01:11:54,169 --> 01:11:52,260
pretty long including the fellas

1762
01:11:55,970 --> 01:11:54,179
one thing you spoke about when you do

1763
01:11:57,590 --> 01:11:55,980
get volunteers to heal you look for

1764
01:11:59,510 --> 01:11:57,600
Skeptics you don't look for believers if

1765
01:12:01,970 --> 01:11:59,520
they're Believers you don't want them I

1766
01:12:04,550 --> 01:12:01,980
don't want them the Believers are a

1767
01:12:06,890 --> 01:12:04,560
little scary to me because again they

1768
01:12:08,990 --> 01:12:06,900
believe stuff and they they believe that

1769
01:12:11,570 --> 01:12:09,000
they

1770
01:12:13,430 --> 01:12:11,580
people with with strong beliefs

1771
01:12:15,169 --> 01:12:13,440
have a tendency to want to reinforce

1772
01:12:17,870 --> 01:12:15,179
their beliefs

1773
01:12:19,370 --> 01:12:17,880
somebody somebody has no I I don't I I

1774
01:12:22,610 --> 01:12:19,380
don't I don't pretend to know what I'm

1775
01:12:25,310 --> 01:12:22,620
talking about I I pretend uh I don't

1776
01:12:27,530 --> 01:12:25,320
pretend I have lots of data and lots of

1777
01:12:30,050 --> 01:12:27,540
experiments under lots of tightly

1778
01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:30,060
controlled conditions and so I can say

1779
01:12:34,910 --> 01:12:32,159
something some things aren't interesting

1780
01:12:37,669 --> 01:12:34,920
like is healing real I mean I don't it's

1781
01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:37,679
a stupid question uh the question is is

1782
01:12:41,630 --> 01:12:39,600
there a dose response to distance matter

1783
01:12:43,189 --> 01:12:41,640
what happens physiology those are

1784
01:12:45,290 --> 01:12:43,199
interesting questions not whether

1785
01:12:48,169 --> 01:12:45,300
healing happens but the list of things

1786
01:12:50,149 --> 01:12:48,179
we don't know is staggering you know and

1787
01:12:51,310 --> 01:12:50,159
this could go on page after page after

1788
01:12:54,830 --> 01:12:51,320
page

1789
01:12:56,149 --> 01:12:54,840
and and Believers don't have a tendency

1790
01:12:58,250 --> 01:12:56,159
to want to look at all this stuff

1791
01:13:00,290 --> 01:12:58,260
because they already believe stuff right

1792
01:13:02,030 --> 01:13:00,300
I I'm fortunate enough that I don't have

1793
01:13:04,610 --> 01:13:02,040
a believing bone in my body

1794
01:13:07,850 --> 01:13:04,620
so I can relax and just let the data go

1795
01:13:09,470 --> 01:13:07,860
where the data goes and I can be an

1796
01:13:11,209 --> 01:13:09,480
interested Observer

1797
01:13:12,649 --> 01:13:11,219
that's the way I think everybody should

1798
01:13:15,950 --> 01:13:12,659
be like that has a question about the

1799
01:13:20,270 --> 01:13:17,870
um let me I'm going to stop sharing this

1800
01:13:22,250 --> 01:13:20,280
and just uh

1801
01:13:24,229 --> 01:13:22,260
okay am I back

1802
01:13:27,290 --> 01:13:24,239
you're back okay

1803
01:13:30,229 --> 01:13:27,300
um do they look they look humanoid

1804
01:13:36,229 --> 01:13:30,239
you know they almost uh almost like a

1805
01:13:40,490 --> 01:13:38,870
I can't see I can't see details of faces

1806
01:13:41,570 --> 01:13:40,500
or things like that I just they kind of

1807
01:13:44,770 --> 01:13:41,580
loot me

1808
01:13:47,930 --> 01:13:44,780
I can't get them to pay rent you know

1809
01:13:49,430 --> 01:13:47,940
I just I thought I'd set up reasonable

1810
01:13:52,970 --> 01:13:49,440
amounts of rent because they just hang

1811
01:13:55,490 --> 01:13:52,980
out here you know Reloaders

1812
01:13:57,110 --> 01:13:55,500
yeah go go rake some leaves do something

1813
01:13:58,490 --> 01:13:57,120
for crying out loud sounds just looming

1814
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:58,500
around you're

1815
01:14:01,430 --> 01:14:00,000
you're a question on Twitter any chance

1816
01:14:03,410 --> 01:14:01,440
you could ask Bella's methods

1817
01:14:05,209 --> 01:14:03,420
Effectiveness on neurodegenerative

1818
01:14:08,270 --> 01:14:05,219
illnesses

1819
01:14:10,130 --> 01:14:08,280
uh I wonder I have wondered if it's

1820
01:14:13,370 --> 01:14:10,140
effect your method has

1821
01:14:15,890 --> 01:14:13,380
if your method is effect

1822
01:14:19,250 --> 01:14:15,900
if it's effect especially on fast moving

1823
01:14:22,850 --> 01:14:19,260
illnesses that mutated Cells versus an

1824
01:14:25,490 --> 01:14:22,860
illness that takes away degenerative

1825
01:14:28,370 --> 01:14:25,500
I can talk the answer is it's always

1826
01:14:30,530 --> 01:14:28,380
going to be I don't know and and you

1827
01:14:32,750 --> 01:14:30,540
know then we say let's let's try and

1828
01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:32,760
find out you know let's see what we get

1829
01:14:36,410 --> 01:14:35,280
uh so I'm open to let's let's see what

1830
01:14:37,010 --> 01:14:36,420
we get

1831
01:14:39,350 --> 01:14:37,020
um

1832
01:14:41,270 --> 01:14:39,360
in clinical because you're asking me a

1833
01:14:44,450 --> 01:14:41,280
clinical question in clinical questions

1834
01:14:46,010 --> 01:14:44,460
in clinical cases there's no way to

1835
01:14:47,450 --> 01:14:46,020
predict an individual outcome

1836
01:14:49,790 --> 01:14:47,460
outcome any more than I could predict

1837
01:14:51,950 --> 01:14:49,800
the individual outcome of a mouse

1838
01:14:54,110 --> 01:14:51,960
so for example

1839
01:14:56,630 --> 01:14:54,120
and this may not be satisfying but it's

1840
01:14:59,149 --> 01:14:56,640
through its reality

1841
01:15:01,010 --> 01:14:59,159
and this is a real case and I bring Dean

1842
01:15:03,770 --> 01:15:01,020
in in one minute so if we wrap it up and

1843
01:15:06,470 --> 01:15:03,780
I'll bring them in okay and and you can

1844
01:15:08,990 --> 01:15:06,480
pop in anytime you want uh but we we

1845
01:15:12,169 --> 01:15:10,610
we're in the middle of Bill answering a

1846
01:15:15,530 --> 01:15:12,179
question go ahead Bill he's he's

1847
01:15:17,209 --> 01:15:15,540
answering it poorly incidentally but I'm

1848
01:15:19,790 --> 01:15:17,219
the answer is to figure out what the

1849
01:15:22,669 --> 01:15:19,800
question was yeah uh so we we can have

1850
01:15:26,030 --> 01:15:22,679
we can have a volunteer healer put their

1851
01:15:29,870 --> 01:15:26,040
hands around a cage with two mice in it

1852
01:15:31,910 --> 01:15:29,880
and so the the mice are essentially

1853
01:15:33,530 --> 01:15:31,920
clones not literally but they're clones

1854
01:15:36,050 --> 01:15:33,540
of one another they're they're for all

1855
01:15:38,750 --> 01:15:36,060
practical purposes they're identical you

1856
01:15:41,570 --> 01:15:38,760
have the same healer you have mice that

1857
01:15:44,090 --> 01:15:41,580
are been born and raised together

1858
01:15:46,310 --> 01:15:44,100
they're from the same litter and they're

1859
01:15:48,649 --> 01:15:46,320
given the same amount of cancer

1860
01:15:50,870 --> 01:15:48,659
at a given time so they're ejected with

1861
01:15:53,510 --> 01:15:50,880
a certain number of cancer cells one

1862
01:15:55,729 --> 01:15:53,520
Mouse will take X number of days to be

1863
01:15:58,550 --> 01:15:55,739
cured the other Mouse will take two and

1864
01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:01,790
now the geeky term for that is

1865
01:16:06,830 --> 01:16:03,840
unexplained variance

1866
01:16:09,290 --> 01:16:06,840
but the reality is we can speak in terms

1867
01:16:11,450 --> 01:16:09,300
of aggregate data

1868
01:16:13,729 --> 01:16:11,460
Central Tendencies things like that but

1869
01:16:15,890 --> 01:16:13,739
there's no way for me to predict the

1870
01:16:19,010 --> 01:16:15,900
outcome of an individual Mouse will this

1871
01:16:21,169 --> 01:16:19,020
be a mouse that gets fixed in in a dozen

1872
01:16:23,689 --> 01:16:21,179
days will it be a mouse that takes 30

1873
01:16:25,610 --> 01:16:23,699
days will it be I I don't know and you

1874
01:16:28,850 --> 01:16:25,620
asked me a clinical case

1875
01:16:31,010 --> 01:16:28,860
does your does your does it work on this

1876
01:16:34,250 --> 01:16:31,020
it's not a question of does it work on

1877
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:34,260
this it's a question of I I even if it

1878
01:16:37,610 --> 01:16:36,000
if I got 10 people with the same

1879
01:16:39,709 --> 01:16:37,620
condition at least as far as we could

1880
01:16:43,010 --> 01:16:39,719
tell there would probably be variation

1881
01:16:44,750 --> 01:16:43,020
in the outcome of the healing

1882
01:16:46,729 --> 01:16:44,760
and we just you know

1883
01:16:49,490 --> 01:16:46,739
Geeks call that unexplained variance

1884
01:16:52,610 --> 01:16:49,500
it's what it really means is there there

1885
01:16:55,430 --> 01:16:52,620
really is no way we we think and we hear

1886
01:16:57,169 --> 01:16:55,440
in terms of central Tendencies so this

1887
01:16:58,970 --> 01:16:57,179
will get fixed in about a month or this

1888
01:17:00,770 --> 01:16:58,980
will take her this will take but there's

1889
01:17:03,590 --> 01:17:00,780
there's an enormous amount of of

1890
01:17:05,330 --> 01:17:03,600
individual variation

1891
01:17:08,630 --> 01:17:05,340
thank you for that and Dean thank you

1892
01:17:11,330 --> 01:17:08,640
for being here I will I will refer

1893
01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:11,340
people to the notes for Dean's bio he's

1894
01:17:15,470 --> 01:17:12,960
the chief scientist at The Institute of

1895
01:17:17,510 --> 01:17:15,480
noetic scientists at science noetic

1896
01:17:19,370 --> 01:17:17,520
science and Dean can you tell me thank

1897
01:17:22,850 --> 01:17:19,380
you for being here first of all tell me

1898
01:17:27,649 --> 01:17:25,250
I think we probably met at an SSC

1899
01:17:29,830 --> 01:17:27,659
conference I think so I was trying to

1900
01:17:33,649 --> 01:17:29,840
remember how do we meet

1901
01:17:37,490 --> 01:17:33,659
probably years ago yeah a bunch of years

1902
01:17:38,870 --> 01:17:37,500
20 years maybe more yeah yeah so at a

1903
01:17:40,270 --> 01:17:38,880
conference what was your first

1904
01:17:44,149 --> 01:17:40,280
impression

1905
01:17:46,850 --> 01:17:44,810
um

1906
01:17:50,209 --> 01:17:46,860
Hold Your Ears Bill

1907
01:17:53,090 --> 01:17:50,219
yeah I would say uh what bill has been

1908
01:17:56,450 --> 01:17:53,100
doing and presenting is crazy but it's

1909
01:17:58,550 --> 01:17:56,460
good crazy you know just like uh

1910
01:18:01,850 --> 01:17:58,560
was it is it John Lewis was talking

1911
01:18:04,550 --> 01:18:01,860
about uh good trouble well in a sense

1912
01:18:07,130 --> 01:18:04,560
that's that's what we do we're involved

1913
01:18:10,370 --> 01:18:07,140
in good trouble in a scientific sense

1914
01:18:13,970 --> 01:18:10,380
studying things that would cause many

1915
01:18:17,270 --> 01:18:13,980
scientists to uh run away and scream

1916
01:18:20,570 --> 01:18:17,280
and so instead we we dive in and find

1917
01:18:22,790 --> 01:18:20,580
out is there something here or not

1918
01:18:25,070 --> 01:18:22,800
so one of my one of my intellectual

1919
01:18:27,770 --> 01:18:25,080
Heroes is William James

1920
01:18:30,590 --> 01:18:27,780
William James really had it right when

1921
01:18:32,930 --> 01:18:30,600
he said way back when that uh it's the

1922
01:18:34,910 --> 01:18:32,940
things that don't fit into our current

1923
01:18:37,850 --> 01:18:34,920
understanding which are somewhere

1924
01:18:41,810 --> 01:18:37,860
between the next great breakthrough

1925
01:18:43,850 --> 01:18:41,820
and something which is a mistake yep so

1926
01:18:45,590 --> 01:18:43,860
you're not going to find out what it is

1927
01:18:48,410 --> 01:18:45,600
unless you actually start studying it

1928
01:18:49,550 --> 01:18:48,420
and it often turns out that these the

1929
01:18:51,950 --> 01:18:49,560
strange things that people don't

1930
01:18:54,890 --> 01:18:51,960
understand hold something which is

1931
01:18:56,870 --> 01:18:54,900
extremely important to to know so that's

1932
01:18:59,390 --> 01:18:56,880
I mean that's what attracted me to

1933
01:19:01,490 --> 01:18:59,400
studying anomalies and that's why I

1934
01:19:04,010 --> 01:19:01,500
value what Bill does as well because he

1935
01:19:06,649 --> 01:19:04,020
dived head first into it and now and now

1936
01:19:08,689 --> 01:19:06,659
he's in it and I I don't have you know

1937
01:19:10,610 --> 01:19:08,699
this goes to my thing about belief I

1938
01:19:13,430 --> 01:19:10,620
don't have beliefs that I need to defend

1939
01:19:15,050 --> 01:19:13,440
what I've learned in doing you know

1940
01:19:17,870 --> 01:19:15,060
research in this crazy stuff for 100

1941
01:19:20,149 --> 01:19:17,880
something years is uh I don't know too

1942
01:19:22,790 --> 01:19:20,159
much you know it's it's the list of

1943
01:19:24,530 --> 01:19:22,800
things I don't know and and so I can't I

1944
01:19:26,270 --> 01:19:24,540
can't believe

1945
01:19:27,410 --> 01:19:26,280
because I don't come from a believing

1946
01:19:30,110 --> 01:19:27,420
background

1947
01:19:31,910 --> 01:19:30,120
I just test and I'm okay if it if if it

1948
01:19:33,830 --> 01:19:31,920
works if it doesn't work you know I'm

1949
01:19:36,290 --> 01:19:33,840
sure I don't have the answer and I don't

1950
01:19:38,750 --> 01:19:36,300
have truth I have experience and I have

1951
01:19:41,390 --> 01:19:38,760
experiments and it will continue to be

1952
01:19:43,790 --> 01:19:41,400
modified and and the good news is in the

1953
01:19:46,070 --> 01:19:43,800
dialogue you know someone like Dean can

1954
01:19:47,689 --> 01:19:46,080
come along and say time out to have you

1955
01:19:50,510 --> 01:19:47,699
tried this if you control for that have

1956
01:19:52,430 --> 01:19:50,520
you and if it's deep it's going to be

1957
01:19:55,070 --> 01:19:52,440
useful if it's other people they are

1958
01:19:57,590 --> 01:19:55,080
stupid that's not useful

1959
01:19:59,870 --> 01:19:57,600
that's not useful at all which is one of

1960
01:20:01,070 --> 01:19:59,880
the reasons you I I try to stay clear of

1961
01:20:03,890 --> 01:20:01,080
believers

1962
01:20:07,450 --> 01:20:03,900
yeah constructive criticism is

1963
01:20:10,189 --> 01:20:07,460
is essential and valuable yeah

1964
01:20:12,770 --> 01:20:10,199
destructive criticism is a waste of time

1965
01:20:14,689 --> 01:20:12,780
yep yep

1966
01:20:16,970 --> 01:20:14,699
Dean can you talk about how you got

1967
01:20:19,550 --> 01:20:16,980
involved with bills

1968
01:20:22,370 --> 01:20:19,560
research and talk about both of you can

1969
01:20:25,250 --> 01:20:22,380
talk about how you started trying to

1970
01:20:27,050 --> 01:20:25,260
record healing who who was the first one

1971
01:20:28,669 --> 01:20:27,060
to even think about the idea of maybe we

1972
01:20:30,910 --> 01:20:28,679
can record this

1973
01:20:32,870 --> 01:20:30,920
who's the first yeah

1974
01:20:34,550 --> 01:20:32,880
who came up with the idea let's say

1975
01:20:35,870 --> 01:20:34,560
let's try to record put as many

1976
01:20:38,270 --> 01:20:35,880
instruments since we don't really know

1977
01:20:40,370 --> 01:20:38,280
what we're recording and go on a faraday

1978
01:20:43,130 --> 01:20:40,380
cage and try to record healing

1979
01:20:44,870 --> 01:20:43,140
well I know that the the way I I first

1980
01:20:46,490 --> 01:20:44,880
heard about this was we wanted to put

1981
01:20:49,490 --> 01:20:46,500
bill in a bottle

1982
01:20:51,110 --> 01:20:49,500
because you know we're finite whereas if

1983
01:20:52,610 --> 01:20:51,120
you put bill in a bottle it might stay

1984
01:20:54,050 --> 01:20:52,620
on the shelf for a long time we don't

1985
01:20:56,270 --> 01:20:54,060
need Bill anymore

1986
01:20:58,550 --> 01:20:56,280
that's that's one of my major goals in

1987
01:21:01,370 --> 01:20:58,560
life is to be irrelevant and be put in a

1988
01:21:04,370 --> 01:21:01,380
bottle yeah so in the the question then

1989
01:21:05,810 --> 01:21:04,380
goes well what do you record well I

1990
01:21:08,390 --> 01:21:05,820
thought of everything I could think of

1991
01:21:10,010 --> 01:21:08,400
to record electromagnetic and magnetic

1992
01:21:11,689 --> 01:21:10,020
and scalar waves even though I don't

1993
01:21:14,930 --> 01:21:11,699
know exactly what that means

1994
01:21:16,729 --> 01:21:14,940
uh and lots of things and so we we

1995
01:21:18,470 --> 01:21:16,739
created a system that would record at

1996
01:21:21,590 --> 01:21:18,480
high resolution all of these signals

1997
01:21:24,070 --> 01:21:21,600
something like 38 39 different signals

1998
01:21:29,149 --> 01:21:24,080
and then created a single composite

1999
01:21:30,110 --> 01:21:29,159
stereo audio signal out of it and it

2000
01:21:36,350 --> 01:21:30,120
works

2001
01:21:39,229 --> 01:21:36,360
400 years and 3 000 people to figure out

2002
01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:39,239
but something about it we captured

2003
01:21:43,310 --> 01:21:40,080
something

2004
01:21:45,050 --> 01:21:43,320
but but but Joe I mean if you put Dean's

2005
01:21:47,810 --> 01:21:45,060
answer in the context why are we doing

2006
01:21:49,850 --> 01:21:47,820
this if if

2007
01:21:52,550 --> 01:21:49,860
someone comes along we'll just call it

2008
01:21:54,709 --> 01:21:52,560
healer A Healer a comes along does their

2009
01:21:57,169 --> 01:21:54,719
Hocus Pocus stick and and I'm not

2010
01:21:58,610 --> 01:21:57,179
putting it down uh does their Hocus

2011
01:22:00,649 --> 01:21:58,620
Pocus stick and the person gets better

2012
01:22:02,689 --> 01:22:00,659
the mouse gets better the cell gets

2013
01:22:04,189 --> 01:22:02,699
better whatever it gets better you know

2014
01:22:06,590 --> 01:22:04,199
it's a beautiful thing and you can study

2015
01:22:08,990 --> 01:22:06,600
that as as kind of like a the way to

2016
01:22:11,630 --> 01:22:09,000
proceed but in the grand scheme if

2017
01:22:15,169 --> 01:22:11,640
you're gonna make this stuff

2018
01:22:17,510 --> 01:22:15,179
adoptable to to

2019
01:22:19,250 --> 01:22:17,520
there's an inexhaustible supply of

2020
01:22:21,169 --> 01:22:19,260
people in pain out there

2021
01:22:23,090 --> 01:22:21,179
so no matter how many people there are

2022
01:22:24,950 --> 01:22:23,100
putting their hands on or doing their

2023
01:22:27,649 --> 01:22:24,960
healing stick there's going to be a need

2024
01:22:29,510 --> 01:22:27,659
that's greater and the question is do we

2025
01:22:32,090 --> 01:22:29,520
have something that's curious because

2026
01:22:33,169 --> 01:22:32,100
it's a phenomenon that shouldn't be but

2027
01:22:35,689 --> 01:22:33,179
it'd be

2028
01:22:37,310 --> 01:22:35,699
uh but how do we make it practical well

2029
01:22:39,229 --> 01:22:37,320
we have to be able to store it and we

2030
01:22:41,990 --> 01:22:39,239
have to be able to scale it

2031
01:22:43,850 --> 01:22:42,000
and so I mean we're used to storing and

2032
01:22:46,669 --> 01:22:43,860
scaling all sorts of stuff from the

2033
01:22:49,070 --> 01:22:46,679
physical world from the medical world I

2034
01:22:50,570 --> 01:22:49,080
mean if you just take vitamins for

2035
01:22:52,790 --> 01:22:50,580
crying out loud we can Mass produce

2036
01:22:54,830 --> 01:22:52,800
vitamins and they sit and they store for

2037
01:22:56,510 --> 01:22:54,840
some length of time well I can pop in

2038
01:22:58,550 --> 01:22:56,520
some vitamins if I need some vitamins

2039
01:23:01,250 --> 01:22:58,560
can we do the same thing

2040
01:23:02,209 --> 01:23:01,260
we take we take uh electricity you know

2041
01:23:04,189 --> 01:23:02,219
and

2042
01:23:04,910 --> 01:23:04,199
we we put it in the Box we call it a

2043
01:23:08,450 --> 01:23:04,920
battery

2044
01:23:10,790 --> 01:23:08,460
that's a whole lot better than going I

2045
01:23:12,229 --> 01:23:10,800
wonder what that Sparky thing is you

2046
01:23:14,990 --> 01:23:12,239
know so the Sparky thing is worth

2047
01:23:17,209 --> 01:23:15,000
looking into for its own sake but if we

2048
01:23:19,010 --> 01:23:17,219
can capture it and scale it

2049
01:23:20,450 --> 01:23:19,020
you don't you don't see people walking

2050
01:23:22,970 --> 01:23:20,460
around going

2051
01:23:24,770 --> 01:23:22,980
I don't believe in electricity

2052
01:23:28,070 --> 01:23:24,780
I don't think you could have a

2053
01:23:29,149 --> 01:23:28,080
electrical powered car I don't think we

2054
01:23:31,669 --> 01:23:29,159
have

2055
01:23:32,630 --> 01:23:31,679
well why something it's been stored and

2056
01:23:35,030 --> 01:23:32,640
scaled

2057
01:23:37,850 --> 01:23:35,040
can we store and scare heal this store

2058
01:23:40,010 --> 01:23:37,860
and scale healing and the answer is yes

2059
01:23:42,290 --> 01:23:40,020
that that's not the same as saying we've

2060
01:23:44,470 --> 01:23:42,300
duplicated it but there is a technology

2061
01:23:47,149 --> 01:23:44,480
possible

2062
01:23:49,430 --> 01:23:47,159
for people no you're putting

2063
01:23:51,169 --> 01:23:49,440
you're putting one Healer in a faraday

2064
01:23:52,970 --> 01:23:51,179
cage multiple healers they're doing your

2065
01:23:56,030 --> 01:23:52,980
Technique and then you're recording what

2066
01:23:58,250 --> 01:23:56,040
goes on in the room we have three people

2067
01:24:00,890 --> 01:23:58,260
three healers three well three people

2068
01:24:02,689 --> 01:24:00,900
doing my technique okay I was one of

2069
01:24:06,709 --> 01:24:02,699
them

2070
01:24:09,050 --> 01:24:06,719
I went out the other two okay and it's

2071
01:24:11,390 --> 01:24:09,060
not so the results so far it's not as

2072
01:24:13,130 --> 01:24:11,400
good as the Hands-On technique but I

2073
01:24:15,830 --> 01:24:13,140
don't think so there is an effect though

2074
01:24:18,169 --> 01:24:15,840
there is an effect and and and so you

2075
01:24:19,790 --> 01:24:18,179
know to your first question Dean went

2076
01:24:21,530 --> 01:24:19,800
geeking around trying to figure out what

2077
01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:21,540
can let's throw the kitchen sink at this

2078
01:24:26,090 --> 01:24:23,760
and get 38 detectors and even if we go

2079
01:24:28,729 --> 01:24:26,100
we got scalar feels whatever in Heaven's

2080
01:24:30,470 --> 01:24:28,739
name that means and we so it's a kitchen

2081
01:24:32,630 --> 01:24:30,480
sink approach because we don't know what

2082
01:24:34,850 --> 01:24:32,640
we're doing and and will the kitchen

2083
01:24:38,149 --> 01:24:34,860
sink played back reproduce the effect

2084
01:24:41,510 --> 01:24:38,159
and I think the answer is no

2085
01:24:44,209 --> 01:24:41,520
uh it'll it'll reproduce some effect but

2086
01:24:48,050 --> 01:24:44,219
I don't think it's equal to

2087
01:24:51,169 --> 01:24:48,060
yeah the fact that it works at all

2088
01:24:53,090 --> 01:24:51,179
is already astonishing because there is

2089
01:24:56,270 --> 01:24:53,100
when you look at the signals

2090
01:24:59,930 --> 01:24:56,280
there's very minor changes that go on at

2091
01:25:02,209 --> 01:24:59,940
a low frequency uh but otherwise we we

2092
01:25:03,709 --> 01:25:02,219
have no idea what it's captured I mean

2093
01:25:05,689 --> 01:25:03,719
we

2094
01:25:08,390 --> 01:25:05,699
it could be it could be anything at this

2095
01:25:10,189 --> 01:25:08,400
point what makes it worse is that we

2096
01:25:12,169 --> 01:25:10,199
used a pretty sophisticated system to do

2097
01:25:15,950 --> 01:25:12,179
all this recording and at least

2098
01:25:19,790 --> 01:25:15,960
anecdotally we know that even a a little

2099
01:25:22,250 --> 01:25:19,800
simple cheap digital recorder that only

2100
01:25:24,290 --> 01:25:22,260
does audio also seems to record

2101
01:25:26,590 --> 01:25:24,300
something yeah

2102
01:25:29,030 --> 01:25:26,600
you know so we we

2103
01:25:30,530 --> 01:25:29,040
the way that where we are at this point

2104
01:25:33,350 --> 01:25:30,540
is somewhere between Benjamin Franklin

2105
01:25:36,470 --> 01:25:33,360
fooling around with Sparks during an

2106
01:25:39,290 --> 01:25:36,480
electrical storm or uh Alexander Fleming

2107
01:25:42,470 --> 01:25:39,300
noticing that this pot of penicillin

2108
01:25:44,750 --> 01:25:42,480
which we had no name yet but some mold

2109
01:25:47,270 --> 01:25:44,760
was doing something interesting so we

2110
01:25:49,910 --> 01:25:47,280
see that there are effects we don't know

2111
01:25:52,250 --> 01:25:49,920
nearly enough yet to know really even

2112
01:25:54,830 --> 01:25:52,260
how to think about it yeah I I wouldn't

2113
01:25:57,050 --> 01:25:54,840
bet the ranch on the recording uh but

2114
01:25:59,450 --> 01:25:57,060
this clearly something goes on and and

2115
01:26:00,950 --> 01:25:59,460
you know we we have this under some

2116
01:26:04,030 --> 01:26:00,960
pretty good replications you know

2117
01:26:06,649 --> 01:26:04,040
multiple multiple replications and and

2118
01:26:09,050 --> 01:26:06,659
in indirect we don't have a

2119
01:26:11,030 --> 01:26:09,060
charge-o-meter a helometer and all these

2120
01:26:13,729 --> 01:26:11,040
other kinds of good things that haven't

2121
01:26:16,490 --> 01:26:13,739
been able to figure out how to how to

2122
01:26:17,209 --> 01:26:16,500
map this thing out yet

2123
01:26:19,910 --> 01:26:17,219
um

2124
01:26:21,590 --> 01:26:19,920
so we've done it indirectly

2125
01:26:25,850 --> 01:26:21,600
Hands-On

2126
01:26:28,850 --> 01:26:25,860
cultures when did the genomic changes

2127
01:26:31,970 --> 01:26:28,860
start to kick in if they're cancer cells

2128
01:26:35,030 --> 01:26:31,980
the recording on the same cells when

2129
01:26:37,729 --> 01:26:35,040
does it kick in and the recording kicks

2130
01:26:39,649 --> 01:26:37,739
in but it kicks in slower

2131
01:26:42,050 --> 01:26:39,659
and I don't know if we can make really

2132
01:26:43,910 --> 01:26:42,060
make a ratio but it kicks in we'll just

2133
01:26:46,610 --> 01:26:43,920
call it it kicks in slower than does the

2134
01:26:49,129 --> 01:26:46,620
Hands-On and and Dean says you know we

2135
01:26:51,169 --> 01:26:49,139
can try with other stuff uh and we have

2136
01:26:53,390 --> 01:26:51,179
and and we've done it with Studio

2137
01:26:56,390 --> 01:26:53,400
recordings we've tried it I haven't done

2138
01:26:58,850 --> 01:26:56,400
the genomics yet on just ordinary cell

2139
01:27:00,770 --> 01:26:58,860
phone recordings but it'd be nice to

2140
01:27:03,290 --> 01:27:00,780
have a little hierarchy of you know what

2141
01:27:05,689 --> 01:27:03,300
can this give us a hint what are the

2142
01:27:08,149 --> 01:27:05,699
things that matter just like it'd be

2143
01:27:09,890 --> 01:27:08,159
nice to say you know Dean stop looking

2144
01:27:12,050 --> 01:27:09,900
at all the stuff you're looking at let's

2145
01:27:13,729 --> 01:27:12,060
let's change the recorder let's change

2146
01:27:16,070 --> 01:27:13,739
to this let's change it and see what

2147
01:27:18,350 --> 01:27:16,080
happens you know if that takes time

2148
01:27:20,870 --> 01:27:18,360
effort money and putting everything else

2149
01:27:22,370 --> 01:27:20,880
on hold you know is it worth doing

2150
01:27:25,550 --> 01:27:22,380
absolutely will we come up with

2151
01:27:28,310 --> 01:27:25,560
Penicillin don't know could be it could

2152
01:27:29,570 --> 01:27:28,320
be a false flag and we may be we may not

2153
01:27:32,990 --> 01:27:29,580
be thinking of this the right way to

2154
01:27:35,390 --> 01:27:33,000
begin with yeah so normally uh what

2155
01:27:38,510 --> 01:27:35,400
you'd find if something is found it has

2156
01:27:40,250 --> 01:27:38,520
uh it's efficacious you throw a lot of

2157
01:27:41,629 --> 01:27:40,260
people in a lot of money at it and

2158
01:27:43,970 --> 01:27:41,639
that's how you that's how you learn

2159
01:27:47,990 --> 01:27:43,980
things yeah we have very little money

2160
01:27:50,330 --> 01:27:48,000
very few people and so uh the long list

2161
01:27:52,610 --> 01:27:50,340
of things that we want to look at yeah

2162
01:27:54,830 --> 01:27:52,620
like an entire career could be spent

2163
01:27:58,189 --> 01:27:54,840
easily on this stuff it probably should

2164
01:27:59,870 --> 01:27:58,199
be because I think many of us are coming

2165
01:28:02,629 --> 01:27:59,880
to the idea that we're dealing with is

2166
01:28:05,270 --> 01:28:02,639
some aspect of information rather than

2167
01:28:07,910 --> 01:28:05,280
energetics and and that's why you can

2168
01:28:10,790 --> 01:28:07,920
capture whatever this thing is in

2169
01:28:12,410 --> 01:28:10,800
different people and maybe machines and

2170
01:28:15,169 --> 01:28:12,420
so on you can do that

2171
01:28:17,570 --> 01:28:15,179
uh which doesn't make any sense from a

2172
01:28:18,709 --> 01:28:17,580
force-like perspective but it makes a

2173
01:28:21,709 --> 01:28:18,719
lot of sense from an informational

2174
01:28:23,870 --> 01:28:21,719
perspective and then once you once you

2175
01:28:26,450 --> 01:28:23,880
adopt that idea it becomes very strange

2176
01:28:28,729 --> 01:28:26,460
very quick because now suddenly things

2177
01:28:31,010 --> 01:28:28,739
like symbols which carry a certain

2178
01:28:32,930 --> 01:28:31,020
degree of meaning to them and meaning

2179
01:28:34,129 --> 01:28:32,940
and information are closely related to

2180
01:28:36,110 --> 01:28:34,139
each other

2181
01:28:37,970 --> 01:28:36,120
well give somebody a symbol of something

2182
01:28:39,770 --> 01:28:37,980
and maybe they'll get better you know

2183
01:28:42,290 --> 01:28:39,780
that's that's like completely crazy

2184
01:28:44,149 --> 01:28:42,300
that's not science anymore but I think

2185
01:28:46,250 --> 01:28:44,159
that there is a science there we just we

2186
01:28:47,689 --> 01:28:46,260
don't have enough resources to dive into

2187
01:28:50,030 --> 01:28:47,699
it and really figure out what's going on

2188
01:28:52,790 --> 01:28:50,040
and when we really don't have a handle

2189
01:28:54,050 --> 01:28:52,800
on how widespread whatever X is is

2190
01:28:57,410 --> 01:28:54,060
distributed

2191
01:28:59,689 --> 01:28:57,420
you know I I mean maybe I get my my

2192
01:29:02,390 --> 01:28:59,699
findings you know what you're you're

2193
01:29:05,149 --> 01:29:02,400
reasonably interesting uh because I'm

2194
01:29:07,430 --> 01:29:05,159
the only one stupid enough to do it I

2195
01:29:09,890 --> 01:29:07,440
haven't learned enough to know that you

2196
01:29:12,229 --> 01:29:09,900
know what I'm doing is crazy talk

2197
01:29:15,229 --> 01:29:12,239
um and and there may be all sorts of

2198
01:29:17,930 --> 01:29:15,239
different ways to to skin a cat so Dean

2199
01:29:19,430 --> 01:29:17,940
puts in 38 these 38 detectors if we if

2200
01:29:21,890 --> 01:29:19,440
we try with a different maybe we'll get

2201
01:29:24,590 --> 01:29:21,900
the same thing maybe I mean

2202
01:29:26,689 --> 01:29:24,600
a lot of work to be done yeah so we also

2203
01:29:28,669 --> 01:29:26,699
know some things don't work so one of

2204
01:29:30,350 --> 01:29:28,679
the things that we tried and when we did

2205
01:29:32,510 --> 01:29:30,360
that original recording was using a

2206
01:29:35,570 --> 01:29:32,520
spectrometer to see if we could see

2207
01:29:37,850 --> 01:29:35,580
changes in in uh you know quartz

2208
01:29:39,470 --> 01:29:37,860
crystals and in cotton and a bunch of

2209
01:29:42,790 --> 01:29:39,480
other things and didn't see any change

2210
01:29:46,610 --> 01:29:42,800
at all yeah and I'm I'm still thinking

2211
01:29:48,770 --> 01:29:46,620
uh that that healing is still stimulated

2212
01:29:50,870 --> 01:29:48,780
by the healing

2213
01:29:53,810 --> 01:29:50,880
yeah there's an underlying need that

2214
01:29:56,270 --> 01:29:53,820
needs to take place underlying need uh

2215
01:29:58,250 --> 01:29:56,280
and and so the underlining need is the

2216
01:30:01,370 --> 01:29:58,260
is the driver so

2217
01:30:03,290 --> 01:30:01,380
if you if you just had a gizmo technical

2218
01:30:06,530 --> 01:30:03,300
term if you just had a gizmo that's

2219
01:30:07,250 --> 01:30:06,540
measuring this or that Gizzy

2220
01:30:09,890 --> 01:30:07,260
um

2221
01:30:13,610 --> 01:30:09,900
it may it may not be the the the route

2222
01:30:16,370 --> 01:30:13,620
to take so far seems to be life in need

2223
01:30:19,129 --> 01:30:16,380
yeah this is why I'm becoming a fan of

2224
01:30:22,490 --> 01:30:19,139
dual aspect monism as a as a worldview

2225
01:30:25,729 --> 01:30:22,500
because the idea of it is that my it

2226
01:30:27,530 --> 01:30:25,739
says mind is a real thing matter is a

2227
01:30:29,390 --> 01:30:27,540
real thing they're emerging out of

2228
01:30:32,090 --> 01:30:29,400
something else but the connection then

2229
01:30:33,110 --> 01:30:32,100
between mind and mind and matter is

2230
01:30:34,790 --> 01:30:33,120
meaning

2231
01:30:37,430 --> 01:30:34,800
that's what that's what makes the

2232
01:30:39,709 --> 01:30:37,440
connection powerful because the

2233
01:30:41,750 --> 01:30:39,719
correlation is always there but to make

2234
01:30:44,330 --> 01:30:41,760
it do something there's some meaning

2235
01:30:45,709 --> 01:30:44,340
that needs to be underneath it what do

2236
01:30:47,810 --> 01:30:45,719
you think about something for me it's

2237
01:30:49,310 --> 01:30:47,820
it's not new but it's new to me so the

2238
01:30:50,750 --> 01:30:49,320
idea that we live in a holographic

2239
01:30:52,370 --> 01:30:50,760
universe and the and the possibility

2240
01:30:54,830 --> 01:30:52,380
that we're living in a simulation have

2241
01:30:57,229 --> 01:30:54,840
you thought about those two ideas

2242
01:30:59,629 --> 01:30:57,239
yeah I don't know what to do with those

2243
01:31:01,669 --> 01:30:59,639
I mean that if there was a way to

2244
01:31:03,590 --> 01:31:01,679
specifically test it and I know that Tom

2245
01:31:05,090 --> 01:31:03,600
Campbell and others are trying to figure

2246
01:31:07,129 --> 01:31:05,100
out a way of doing that

2247
01:31:10,250 --> 01:31:07,139
uh then it becomes more interesting but

2248
01:31:13,910 --> 01:31:10,260
otherwise it becomes a an interesting

2249
01:31:15,590 --> 01:31:13,920
Theory it's a nice story but I don't I

2250
01:31:17,689 --> 01:31:15,600
don't know what to do with it yeah my

2251
01:31:18,770 --> 01:31:17,699
way of saying that is it's past my pay

2252
01:31:21,050 --> 01:31:18,780
rate

2253
01:31:24,709 --> 01:31:21,060
you know it's got a good beat it's fun

2254
01:31:28,970 --> 01:31:24,719
to dance Too it could have uh you know

2255
01:31:31,430 --> 01:31:28,980
give me some metaphorical thing to grab

2256
01:31:33,590 --> 01:31:31,440
onto but I I don't I don't know what to

2257
01:31:37,850 --> 01:31:33,600
move it past that and so I actually I do

2258
01:31:40,010 --> 01:31:37,860
view this as a metaphor right the idea

2259
01:31:42,709 --> 01:31:40,020
of a simulation is a metaphor I like

2260
01:31:44,810 --> 01:31:42,719
that is literally true I'm not sure I

2261
01:31:46,729 --> 01:31:44,820
know what to do with that yeah do you

2262
01:31:49,370 --> 01:31:46,739
have any doubt that bill has proven with

2263
01:31:52,070 --> 01:31:49,380
his multiple experiments that his method

2264
01:31:55,189 --> 01:31:52,080
can cure cancer and mice I doubt about

2265
01:31:57,050 --> 01:31:55,199
everything good do I think that uh what

2266
01:31:59,750 --> 01:31:57,060
Bill do I think Bill is on decepting

2267
01:32:01,189 --> 01:31:59,760
real and valuable yes

2268
01:32:03,050 --> 01:32:01,199
uh

2269
01:32:04,550 --> 01:32:03,060
do I have doubts of course I have doubts

2270
01:32:05,810 --> 01:32:04,560
I would hope you had doubts because

2271
01:32:08,570 --> 01:32:05,820
otherwise we couldn't talk anymore

2272
01:32:09,830 --> 01:32:08,580
because you'd become a Believer what

2273
01:32:11,510 --> 01:32:09,840
would your doubts be though like you

2274
01:32:15,709 --> 01:32:11,520
have doubts about this his methodology

2275
01:32:17,270 --> 01:32:15,719
or nobody else replicating it it it's

2276
01:32:18,770 --> 01:32:17,280
the same doubts that people would have

2277
01:32:21,410 --> 01:32:18,780
with the kind of research that I do

2278
01:32:22,850 --> 01:32:21,420
right we we begin to gain confidence

2279
01:32:24,950 --> 01:32:22,860
when we see lots of independent

2280
01:32:27,950 --> 01:32:24,960
replications that's why we can say

2281
01:32:30,290 --> 01:32:27,960
within cyber search that we were very

2282
01:32:32,750 --> 01:32:30,300
high confidence that telepathy is real

2283
01:32:35,510 --> 01:32:32,760
why because there's like over a hundred

2284
01:32:37,070 --> 01:32:35,520
Publications 20 Laboratories been done

2285
01:32:39,410 --> 01:32:37,080
for 50 years

2286
01:32:41,750 --> 01:32:39,420
but Bill is unique

2287
01:32:44,149 --> 01:32:41,760
what I'm doing is some of some of the

2288
01:32:45,350 --> 01:32:44,159
research like with double slit Optical

2289
01:32:46,970 --> 01:32:45,360
systems

2290
01:32:49,970 --> 01:32:46,980
so far there's only one person who's

2291
01:32:51,590 --> 01:32:49,980
replicated it and is got some of the

2292
01:32:55,310 --> 01:32:51,600
results similar to what I've seen but

2293
01:32:56,750 --> 01:32:55,320
other results too so maybe after 20

2294
01:32:58,669 --> 01:32:56,760
different Laboratories start showing

2295
01:33:01,370 --> 01:32:58,679
replications then we get our confidence

2296
01:33:02,629 --> 01:33:01,380
continues to grow can you talk about the

2297
01:33:04,790 --> 01:33:02,639
double slit experiment that you've been

2298
01:33:06,229 --> 01:33:04,800
working on because I just discovered it

2299
01:33:07,610 --> 01:33:06,239
I didn't realize you had been doing that

2300
01:33:09,590 --> 01:33:07,620
for the past few years just basically

2301
01:33:11,990 --> 01:33:09,600
what are you trying to do

2302
01:33:14,450 --> 01:33:12,000
well so one of one of the main mysteries

2303
01:33:16,729 --> 01:33:14,460
in quantum mechanics is why does

2304
01:33:19,250 --> 01:33:16,739
observing a Quantum system cause that

2305
01:33:20,629 --> 01:33:19,260
system to change its Behavior and the

2306
01:33:24,110 --> 01:33:20,639
easiest way of demonstrating that is

2307
01:33:26,330 --> 01:33:24,120
with a double set Optical system because

2308
01:33:28,610 --> 01:33:26,340
the design of it is you send photons

2309
01:33:30,550 --> 01:33:28,620
through two little slits these are

2310
01:33:33,709 --> 01:33:30,560
microns across

2311
01:33:36,590 --> 01:33:33,719
and if you don't know which of the two

2312
01:33:37,970 --> 01:33:36,600
slits that the photon goes through then

2313
01:33:40,430 --> 01:33:37,980
you will end up with an interference

2314
01:33:42,590 --> 01:33:40,440
pattern which suggests that the photon

2315
01:33:45,110 --> 01:33:42,600
is behaving like a wave it's easy to

2316
01:33:47,270 --> 01:33:45,120
show that if you do know which of the

2317
01:33:49,550 --> 01:33:47,280
two slits that the photon goes through

2318
01:33:52,070 --> 01:33:49,560
it no longer acts like a wave it acts

2319
01:33:54,410 --> 01:33:52,080
like a particle this is like physics 101

2320
01:33:57,649 --> 01:33:54,420
you can show this in any physics lab

2321
01:33:59,750 --> 01:33:57,659
so in in the founders of quantum

2322
01:34:03,470 --> 01:33:59,760
mechanics were worried about this and

2323
01:34:05,930 --> 01:34:03,480
came up the the what the general phrase

2324
01:34:07,790 --> 01:34:05,940
is the Quantum measurement problem how

2325
01:34:09,410 --> 01:34:07,800
why is it that measuring a Quantum

2326
01:34:11,870 --> 01:34:09,420
system changes it because that is not

2327
01:34:14,270 --> 01:34:11,880
the case with classical physics

2328
01:34:17,090 --> 01:34:14,280
so people like John Von Neumann and many

2329
01:34:19,790 --> 01:34:17,100
other physicists said that you need

2330
01:34:22,610 --> 01:34:19,800
something that is non-physical in order

2331
01:34:24,050 --> 01:34:22,620
to change the system because every time

2332
01:34:25,970 --> 01:34:24,060
you do something physical any physical

2333
01:34:28,250 --> 01:34:25,980
measurement is simply a more complicated

2334
01:34:30,830 --> 01:34:28,260
Quantum system it doesn't collapse

2335
01:34:33,189 --> 01:34:30,840
so-called from its potential State into

2336
01:34:36,169 --> 01:34:33,199
an actual state so all we did was

2337
01:34:38,990 --> 01:34:36,179
actually I did a replication of a study

2338
01:34:41,450 --> 01:34:39,000
that was done originally at Princeton

2339
01:34:44,990 --> 01:34:41,460
University and at York University in

2340
01:34:46,790 --> 01:34:45,000
1998 and so I replicated it using new

2341
01:34:49,490 --> 01:34:46,800
equipment that we built a double slit

2342
01:34:51,530 --> 01:34:49,500
Optical system we simply asked people to

2343
01:34:53,510 --> 01:34:51,540
imagine with their mind that they could

2344
01:34:56,450 --> 01:34:53,520
see what was going on with the photons

2345
01:34:58,070 --> 01:34:56,460
and if they could get the information it

2346
01:35:00,050 --> 01:34:58,080
would change the interference pattern in

2347
01:35:02,209 --> 01:35:00,060
a in a predictable way

2348
01:35:05,689 --> 01:35:02,219
so we did that we ended up doing 19

2349
01:35:08,209 --> 01:35:05,699
experiments over 10 years or so

2350
01:35:10,970 --> 01:35:08,219
and you add on the other studies I

2351
01:35:12,590 --> 01:35:10,980
figured there's a roughly 28 29 studies

2352
01:35:15,709 --> 01:35:12,600
that have been done including the

2353
01:35:18,229 --> 01:35:15,719
original ones and then the ones that are

2354
01:35:20,689 --> 01:35:18,239
colleague in Brazil had done

2355
01:35:23,149 --> 01:35:20,699
and the overall results show a

2356
01:35:25,729 --> 01:35:23,159
probability of 10 to the minus 11

2357
01:35:28,669 --> 01:35:25,739
that something interesting is happening

2358
01:35:30,770 --> 01:35:28,679
so only for Laboratories so far have

2359
01:35:33,229 --> 01:35:30,780
tried to do this for something this

2360
01:35:35,390 --> 01:35:33,239
radically important for understanding

2361
01:35:37,550 --> 01:35:35,400
the fundamentals of physics

2362
01:35:38,750 --> 01:35:37,560
you would need many many more Labs many

2363
01:35:41,870 --> 01:35:38,760
more people doing this kind of

2364
01:35:44,390 --> 01:35:41,880
experiment for us because if it's true

2365
01:35:46,430 --> 01:35:44,400
that is showing directly your mind is

2366
01:35:49,250 --> 01:35:46,440
getting Clairvoyant information about

2367
01:35:51,050 --> 01:35:49,260
photons at a distance

2368
01:35:52,729 --> 01:35:51,060
now

2369
01:35:55,790 --> 01:35:52,739
that troubles people

2370
01:35:58,250 --> 01:35:55,800
yeah me I love it

2371
01:36:01,129 --> 01:35:58,260
um just because we're limited on time I

2372
01:36:02,870 --> 01:36:01,139
am going to move on to the water because

2373
01:36:05,689 --> 01:36:02,880
the water experiments and the

2374
01:36:06,709 --> 01:36:05,699
homeopathic style treatment that Bill's

2375
01:36:08,390 --> 01:36:06,719
involved in I'm not sure if you're

2376
01:36:10,310 --> 01:36:08,400
involved in that two theme we'll start

2377
01:36:12,229 --> 01:36:10,320
out with a question I know Dean you are

2378
01:36:13,310 --> 01:36:12,239
and I'm sure Billy probably are you

2379
01:36:15,050 --> 01:36:13,320
familiar with the experiments of

2380
01:36:18,050 --> 01:36:15,060
Consciousness on water

2381
01:36:20,450 --> 01:36:18,060
by Dr mazuro emelto and then we'll go

2382
01:36:22,790 --> 01:36:20,460
into the homeopathic Style

2383
01:36:24,709 --> 01:36:22,800
experiments that are going on now start

2384
01:36:26,629 --> 01:36:24,719
out with you Dean Dean did some

2385
01:36:29,990 --> 01:36:26,639
replications of a moto

2386
01:36:32,209 --> 01:36:30,000
yeah we worked with himoto yeah he came

2387
01:36:34,850 --> 01:36:32,219
to ions one time I gave a talk about his

2388
01:36:36,470 --> 01:36:34,860
usual Spiel and I went up afterwards and

2389
01:36:37,790 --> 01:36:36,480
said this is really interesting but have

2390
01:36:40,129 --> 01:36:37,800
you ever done it under double-blind

2391
01:36:41,750 --> 01:36:40,139
conditions that the person who was

2392
01:36:44,450 --> 01:36:41,760
taking pictures of the crystal did not

2393
01:36:46,790 --> 01:36:44,460
know whether it had been quote treated

2394
01:36:48,890 --> 01:36:46,800
or not treated he said no he didn't do

2395
01:36:52,790 --> 01:36:48,900
that he said well did you want to I said

2396
01:36:55,790 --> 01:36:52,800
sure so we did two experiments uh where

2397
01:36:58,370 --> 01:36:55,800
we had the water people in Japan were

2398
01:37:01,790 --> 01:36:58,380
trying to influence it at a distance we

2399
01:37:04,790 --> 01:37:01,800
sent that water back to Emoto in Tokyo

2400
01:37:06,890 --> 01:37:04,800
along with control water which had not

2401
01:37:08,330 --> 01:37:06,900
been part of the experiment but came

2402
01:37:10,550 --> 01:37:08,340
from the same source

2403
01:37:12,970 --> 01:37:10,560
and then the technician took a bunch of

2404
01:37:16,250 --> 01:37:12,980
pictures we posted the pictures online

2405
01:37:18,649 --> 01:37:16,260
uh and had people judge the aesthetic

2406
01:37:20,750 --> 01:37:18,659
beauty of the crystals because that was

2407
01:37:22,729 --> 01:37:20,760
his claim that they were even more

2408
01:37:24,649 --> 01:37:22,739
beautiful and we found significant

2409
01:37:28,729 --> 01:37:24,659
differences along the lines of what he

2410
01:37:31,010 --> 01:37:28,739
has had reported nowhere near as good as

2411
01:37:33,050 --> 01:37:31,020
the pictures that he showed but that's

2412
01:37:35,149 --> 01:37:33,060
as bill was saying before it's because

2413
01:37:37,850 --> 01:37:35,159
there's very high variance whenever you

2414
01:37:39,770 --> 01:37:37,860
do any experiment and if that's true in

2415
01:37:41,030 --> 01:37:39,780
this case as well but from a statistical

2416
01:37:42,830 --> 01:37:41,040
point of view

2417
01:37:45,410 --> 01:37:42,840
the crystals that have been in the

2418
01:37:48,350 --> 01:37:45,420
subject of intention were more beautiful

2419
01:37:50,330 --> 01:37:48,360
as judged by lots of people than the

2420
01:37:53,169 --> 01:37:50,340
control water

2421
01:37:56,870 --> 01:37:53,179
so that's that's one line of studies

2422
01:37:58,610 --> 01:37:56,880
meanwhile over the last maybe six or

2423
01:38:00,169 --> 01:37:58,620
eight years already with a colleague in

2424
01:38:02,030 --> 01:38:00,179
Taiwan

2425
01:38:05,629 --> 01:38:02,040
we've been doing experiments with water

2426
01:38:08,390 --> 01:38:05,639
where we asked three senior Buddhist

2427
01:38:13,390 --> 01:38:08,400
monks at a temple Buddhist temple in

2428
01:38:19,250 --> 01:38:13,400
Taiwan to imprint into the water

2429
01:38:20,810 --> 01:38:19,260
a a certain positive intention so it

2430
01:38:22,790 --> 01:38:20,820
depends on the the nature of the

2431
01:38:24,950 --> 01:38:22,800
experiment we've done in print the water

2432
01:38:27,830 --> 01:38:24,960
so that these seeds grow better

2433
01:38:29,810 --> 01:38:27,840
and they did very significantly and now

2434
01:38:32,810 --> 01:38:29,820
do the same thing only we're going to

2435
01:38:36,890 --> 01:38:32,820
look at uh stem cells to see if stem

2436
01:38:40,250 --> 01:38:36,900
cells grow better they do and even

2437
01:38:42,290 --> 01:38:40,260
something simpler like for this tea made

2438
01:38:44,870 --> 01:38:42,300
out of the water would it change

2439
01:38:46,850 --> 01:38:44,880
people's mood would they be happier if

2440
01:38:49,910 --> 01:38:46,860
they had this tea versus identical tea

2441
01:38:51,709 --> 01:38:49,920
which was not blessed by them and the

2442
01:38:55,610 --> 01:38:51,719
answer is yeah that worked too

2443
01:38:59,870 --> 01:38:55,620
so uh so water

2444
01:39:02,570 --> 01:38:59,880
seems to to capture something change

2445
01:39:05,209 --> 01:39:02,580
and then the mud in a larger scale study

2446
01:39:08,209 --> 01:39:05,219
with 100 with 17

2447
01:39:09,649 --> 01:39:08,219
healers it's kind of like Bill but a

2448
01:39:12,830 --> 01:39:09,659
wide variety of different kinds of

2449
01:39:16,189 --> 01:39:12,840
healers and 190 sessions with different

2450
01:39:18,830 --> 01:39:16,199
clients we looked at uh the changes in

2451
01:39:21,590 --> 01:39:18,840
water structure with a spectroscopy

2452
01:39:23,950 --> 01:39:21,600
system and found significant differences

2453
01:39:26,930 --> 01:39:23,960
in the primary

2454
01:39:29,209 --> 01:39:26,940
absorption rate that or the infrared

2455
01:39:31,070 --> 01:39:29,219
portion of the spectrum for water which

2456
01:39:33,129 --> 01:39:31,080
is the one that absorbs most of the

2457
01:39:35,629 --> 01:39:33,139
light showed a significant difference

2458
01:39:38,090 --> 01:39:35,639
when they were doing the healing versus

2459
01:39:40,310 --> 01:39:38,100
not doing the healing so something funny

2460
01:39:42,110 --> 01:39:40,320
goes on with water the interest very

2461
01:39:43,729 --> 01:39:42,120
interesting with water and Bill please

2462
01:39:45,350 --> 01:39:43,739
tell me what you're doing now with your

2463
01:39:47,330 --> 01:39:45,360
experiments with water related to

2464
01:39:50,149 --> 01:39:47,340
homeopathic Style

2465
01:39:52,550 --> 01:39:50,159
it's not related to Homeopathy I'm not a

2466
01:39:56,689 --> 01:39:52,560
homeopath I can barely spell Homeopathy

2467
01:39:59,629 --> 01:39:56,699
uh and I'm I'm ripping off methods that

2468
01:40:01,970 --> 01:39:59,639
people use who are trying to do things

2469
01:40:06,410 --> 01:40:01,980
that are similar to what I'm trying to

2470
01:40:10,430 --> 01:40:06,420
do so in Homeopathy you have serious

2471
01:40:15,350 --> 01:40:10,440
dilution of an original substance

2472
01:40:17,629 --> 01:40:15,360
and the the homeopathic model basically

2473
01:40:19,030 --> 01:40:17,639
says the more dilutions you have the

2474
01:40:23,030 --> 01:40:19,040
stronger it gets which is

2475
01:40:25,729 --> 01:40:23,040
counter-intuitive to a western Canon

2476
01:40:27,169 --> 01:40:25,739
um as you dilute something you dilute

2477
01:40:29,810 --> 01:40:27,179
something you dilute something with

2478
01:40:31,129 --> 01:40:29,820
succession in between it's it's alleged

2479
01:40:34,129 --> 01:40:31,139
to get stronger

2480
01:40:37,490 --> 01:40:34,139
and this this goes to

2481
01:40:39,530 --> 01:40:37,500
my larger question of what method what

2482
01:40:42,830 --> 01:40:39,540
system can we come up with that will

2483
01:40:43,850 --> 01:40:42,840
both allow us to store and allow us to

2484
01:40:46,610 --> 01:40:43,860
scale

2485
01:40:47,810 --> 01:40:46,620
something can be storable but not

2486
01:40:54,169 --> 01:40:47,820
scalable

2487
01:40:56,570 --> 01:40:54,179
not storable so just before we go down

2488
01:40:58,189 --> 01:40:56,580
gobble the Cook Road

2489
01:41:00,590 --> 01:40:58,199
um what we just asked the question

2490
01:41:03,590 --> 01:41:00,600
before is the recording that Dean and I

2491
01:41:07,430 --> 01:41:03,600
made is it as good as live I don't think

2492
01:41:09,890 --> 01:41:07,440
so but it's wildly uh scalable

2493
01:41:12,350 --> 01:41:09,900
so the recording could be globally

2494
01:41:14,330 --> 01:41:12,360
scaled immediately if we if we upload

2495
01:41:16,610 --> 01:41:14,340
this thing into the cloud and we send it

2496
01:41:18,649 --> 01:41:16,620
out and if it would do the the you know

2497
01:41:21,350 --> 01:41:18,659
whatever and replicate the healing we

2498
01:41:24,649 --> 01:41:21,360
would have Global healing

2499
01:41:26,030 --> 01:41:24,659
so a recording is a nice way to go and

2500
01:41:27,649 --> 01:41:26,040
this goes back to an earlier question

2501
01:41:29,810 --> 01:41:27,659
why why are you going down this road

2502
01:41:32,090 --> 01:41:29,820
let's see if we can get a if we can

2503
01:41:33,830 --> 01:41:32,100
store as well as globally scale you know

2504
01:41:35,689 --> 01:41:33,840
thank you and good night

2505
01:41:38,090 --> 01:41:35,699
and then we can just play with it as a

2506
01:41:40,310 --> 01:41:38,100
technical problem

2507
01:41:43,250 --> 01:41:40,320
something can be storable but not

2508
01:41:46,070 --> 01:41:43,260
necessarily scalable so for example the

2509
01:41:48,609 --> 01:41:46,080
great Bernard grad as far as I know it

2510
01:41:52,129 --> 01:41:48,619
started the experiments on on Cotton

2511
01:41:55,370 --> 01:41:52,139
with the Hungarian healer osteresto body

2512
01:41:56,689 --> 01:41:55,380
Oscar estebani and so I actually have a

2513
01:41:59,229 --> 01:41:56,699
piece of cotton right here if we're

2514
01:42:02,149 --> 01:41:59,239
doing shelter

2515
01:42:05,330 --> 01:42:02,159
this is grad now discovering that

2516
01:42:07,850 --> 01:42:05,340
estebani could hold a piece of cotton

2517
01:42:10,129 --> 01:42:07,860
and the piece of cotton applied to a

2518
01:42:13,550 --> 01:42:10,139
plant and animal a wounded this a stick

2519
01:42:15,709 --> 01:42:13,560
nut would replicate what happens when

2520
01:42:17,990 --> 01:42:15,719
you do something live

2521
01:42:20,570 --> 01:42:18,000
well I've done those experiments with

2522
01:42:22,850 --> 01:42:20,580
George cotton uh done this in vitro with

2523
01:42:26,149 --> 01:42:22,860
cancer cells and we compare what happens

2524
01:42:29,689 --> 01:42:26,159
when you do a live treatment of cancer

2525
01:42:33,470 --> 01:42:29,699
cells uh in vitro versus you put the

2526
01:42:35,870 --> 01:42:33,480
cancer cells near or on charged cotton

2527
01:42:38,149 --> 01:42:35,880
so we have blinded

2528
01:42:41,270 --> 01:42:38,159
some continents charge some cotton it's

2529
01:42:43,250 --> 01:42:41,280
not charged and we bring cancer cells

2530
01:42:44,810 --> 01:42:43,260
near to this piece of cotton if the

2531
01:42:46,430 --> 01:42:44,820
cotton is uncharged

2532
01:42:48,530 --> 01:42:46,440
it's not a surprise nothing happens to

2533
01:42:50,450 --> 01:42:48,540
the cancer cells if the cotton has been

2534
01:42:54,410 --> 01:42:50,460
charged I'm using charge Loosely like

2535
01:42:56,090 --> 01:42:54,420
Dean is using less Loosely if if if the

2536
01:42:59,090 --> 01:42:56,100
cotton has been charged blessed whatever

2537
01:43:01,669 --> 01:42:59,100
term you want as the cancer cells get

2538
01:43:05,510 --> 01:43:01,679
near the charge cotton their genomic

2539
01:43:10,609 --> 01:43:07,910
that's a chargeometer but it's not

2540
01:43:11,870 --> 01:43:10,619
something you're going to take home it's

2541
01:43:13,729 --> 01:43:11,880
not something that's going to be simple

2542
01:43:15,530 --> 01:43:13,739
so we did this kind of stuff at Brown

2543
01:43:18,950 --> 01:43:15,540
University and did it over and over and

2544
01:43:21,109 --> 01:43:18,960
over again and we get genomic changes

2545
01:43:23,090 --> 01:43:21,119
in the cancer cells as they get near

2546
01:43:24,530 --> 01:43:23,100
charged cotton

2547
01:43:27,530 --> 01:43:24,540
storable

2548
01:43:29,510 --> 01:43:27,540
but that doesn't mean it's scalable

2549
01:43:31,550 --> 01:43:29,520
so we would have the phenomenon of yep

2550
01:43:33,590 --> 01:43:31,560
something's going on with the cotton or

2551
01:43:35,629 --> 01:43:33,600
yep something's going on with water and

2552
01:43:37,790 --> 01:43:35,639
so let's say we treat water and we do an

2553
01:43:39,169 --> 01:43:37,800
experiment on water well I'll give you

2554
01:43:40,850 --> 01:43:39,179
an experiment I did at the University of

2555
01:43:43,430 --> 01:43:40,860
Connecticut medical school

2556
01:43:46,310 --> 01:43:43,440
treated a bunch of water that was fed to

2557
01:43:49,510 --> 01:43:46,320
mice I never met those mice just getting

2558
01:43:51,229 --> 01:43:49,520
the water were cured

2559
01:43:54,709 --> 01:43:51,239
interesting

2560
01:43:56,330 --> 01:43:54,719
storable so I got storable system one I

2561
01:43:59,209 --> 01:43:56,340
got storable system two that doesn't

2562
01:44:01,729 --> 01:43:59,219
mean it's scalable a recording would be

2563
01:44:03,590 --> 01:44:01,739
scalable but so far

2564
01:44:06,290 --> 01:44:03,600
we haven't done the right recording in

2565
01:44:08,689 --> 01:44:06,300
the right way if it's at all possible

2566
01:44:10,430 --> 01:44:08,699
so it seems to have lost something in

2567
01:44:13,070 --> 01:44:10,440
the recording process

2568
01:44:15,169 --> 01:44:13,080
worth looking into look worth expanding

2569
01:44:16,910 --> 01:44:15,179
but right now it's not so you can have

2570
01:44:18,950 --> 01:44:16,920
storable but not scalable you can have

2571
01:44:22,010 --> 01:44:18,960
scalable but not storable the question

2572
01:44:23,750 --> 01:44:22,020
is how do you put the two together

2573
01:44:26,270 --> 01:44:23,760
and you apparently have done that with

2574
01:44:27,950 --> 01:44:26,280
water and you're not doing water and I

2575
01:44:29,689 --> 01:44:27,960
did that with water it was the same

2576
01:44:31,010 --> 01:44:29,699
question well now what do I do now that

2577
01:44:33,290 --> 01:44:31,020
I have charged water

2578
01:44:35,390 --> 01:44:33,300
well looking around and poking around

2579
01:44:37,129 --> 01:44:35,400
and just kind of what what's going on

2580
01:44:39,350 --> 01:44:37,139
out there that I don't know about and I

2581
01:44:42,350 --> 01:44:39,360
knew almost nothing about Homeopathy but

2582
01:44:44,510 --> 01:44:42,360
I got turned onto it by doesn't matter

2583
01:44:46,310 --> 01:44:44,520
the sequence a curious sequence of

2584
01:44:49,250 --> 01:44:46,320
events and and started talking to some

2585
01:44:51,770 --> 01:44:49,260
homeopaths in the states as well as over

2586
01:44:53,570 --> 01:44:51,780
the pond and they start telling me about

2587
01:44:55,250 --> 01:44:53,580
this that and the other characteristics

2588
01:44:57,410 --> 01:44:55,260
of Homeopathy and I'm scratching my head

2589
01:44:59,689 --> 01:44:57,420
going what what are they talking about

2590
01:45:01,430 --> 01:44:59,699
and and so delusion and succession I

2591
01:45:03,290 --> 01:45:01,440
said well what what what kind of

2592
01:45:06,350 --> 01:45:03,300
delusion into country could you have if

2593
01:45:08,209 --> 01:45:06,360
you dilute it in success water

2594
01:45:10,129 --> 01:45:08,219
and how would you dilute and success

2595
01:45:12,350 --> 01:45:10,139
cotton

2596
01:45:16,030 --> 01:45:12,360
so in the case of water they go oh you

2597
01:45:20,689 --> 01:45:19,250
I mean your head is going to explode

2598
01:45:22,609 --> 01:45:20,699
because I'm taking water and I'm

2599
01:45:25,189 --> 01:45:22,619
diluting it with water

2600
01:45:26,810 --> 01:45:25,199
and then pounding pounding it the

2601
01:45:28,250 --> 01:45:26,820
succussion process and then doing it

2602
01:45:30,590 --> 01:45:28,260
again and doing it again and doing it

2603
01:45:33,470 --> 01:45:30,600
again so we started doing some some of

2604
01:45:36,350 --> 01:45:33,480
this stuff and just first we started as

2605
01:45:39,530 --> 01:45:36,360
pilot studies and essentially we talked

2606
01:45:41,149 --> 01:45:39,540
about actually about this much water and

2607
01:45:43,790 --> 01:45:41,159
I gave it to someone who knows cycling

2608
01:45:45,890 --> 01:45:43,800
that'd be me and and so I walked around

2609
01:45:48,050 --> 01:45:45,900
on my deck which is you can't see I

2610
01:45:50,209 --> 01:45:48,060
walked around on my deck cycling and

2611
01:45:52,310 --> 01:45:50,219
holding a glass of water going how am I

2612
01:45:55,129 --> 01:45:52,320
doing this there why am I you know this

2613
01:45:56,629 --> 01:45:55,139
is how did my life end up like this you

2614
01:45:58,970 --> 01:45:56,639
know I mean what's wrong with this

2615
01:46:02,570 --> 01:45:58,980
picture and now we had it so we had a

2616
01:46:04,729 --> 01:46:02,580
traded water which we already know from

2617
01:46:08,689 --> 01:46:04,739
past experience multiple experiments

2618
01:46:11,030 --> 01:46:08,699
we'll fix mice

2619
01:46:14,270 --> 01:46:11,040
but the homeopath suggests we can

2620
01:46:17,270 --> 01:46:14,280
increase its strength

2621
01:46:20,030 --> 01:46:17,280
and we can scale it through this

2622
01:46:22,430 --> 01:46:20,040
dilution and succussion method

2623
01:46:25,729 --> 01:46:22,440
so they actually have some places have

2624
01:46:27,290 --> 01:46:25,739
Labs mechanical arms which will you know

2625
01:46:29,030 --> 01:46:27,300
they're putting this into it and then it

2626
01:46:31,250 --> 01:46:29,040
comes out and then you put another thing

2627
01:46:33,109 --> 01:46:31,260
in the it's again I'm not a homeopath

2628
01:46:35,450 --> 01:46:33,119
but that that's the plot dilution and

2629
01:46:38,570 --> 01:46:35,460
succession yeah and just just a note I

2630
01:46:40,189 --> 01:46:38,580
mean I have a homeopathic vet Dr Carol

2631
01:46:42,770 --> 01:46:40,199
Tillerman in Vegas and she she would

2632
01:46:44,629 --> 01:46:42,780
give our pet medicine she's like you

2633
01:46:47,510 --> 01:46:44,639
need to shake it 20 times I'm like okay

2634
01:46:50,510 --> 01:46:47,520
I'll do it but I think it's ridiculous

2635
01:46:52,430 --> 01:46:50,520
well I'm working with some pets too and

2636
01:46:54,350 --> 01:46:52,440
instead we're giving blinded you know we

2637
01:46:56,810 --> 01:46:54,360
got treated and untreated and they're

2638
01:46:58,250 --> 01:46:56,820
giving to their animals they're putting

2639
01:47:00,590 --> 01:46:58,260
a couple of drops of this stuff into

2640
01:47:03,290 --> 01:47:00,600
their water bowls so you got now two

2641
01:47:05,990 --> 01:47:03,300
water bowls you got a coin flip and and

2642
01:47:07,970 --> 01:47:06,000
and and then the cats go and they go no

2643
01:47:10,129 --> 01:47:07,980
I want this water

2644
01:47:11,930 --> 01:47:10,139
if you take away this water they won't

2645
01:47:14,810 --> 01:47:11,940
go to the other water they look at you

2646
01:47:17,750 --> 01:47:14,820
like excuse me did you get the wrong

2647
01:47:19,250 --> 01:47:17,760
water you know uh I'm not taking the

2648
01:47:22,129 --> 01:47:19,260
cheesy stuff anymore

2649
01:47:24,530 --> 01:47:22,139
uh so we're doing that just anecdotal

2650
01:47:27,050 --> 01:47:24,540
wise and I did this instead of cats

2651
01:47:28,370 --> 01:47:27,060
because I'm not a big cat fan instead of

2652
01:47:30,770 --> 01:47:28,380
cats

2653
01:47:33,410 --> 01:47:30,780
we did it on people next time not a big

2654
01:47:35,990 --> 01:47:33,420
people fan either but uh we did this uh

2655
01:47:38,330 --> 01:47:36,000
we did three clinical

2656
01:47:40,490 --> 01:47:38,340
they're not experiments we did three

2657
01:47:43,070 --> 01:47:40,500
clinical efforts

2658
01:47:45,229 --> 01:47:43,080
took about a hundred people

2659
01:47:47,990 --> 01:47:45,239
in the states

2660
01:47:50,030 --> 01:47:48,000
took 100 people in Europe came back to

2661
01:47:52,729 --> 01:47:50,040
the States tried another 100 people so

2662
01:47:56,510 --> 01:47:52,739
we got three roughly 100 people and what

2663
01:47:59,570 --> 01:47:56,520
they got was water that we had diluted

2664
01:48:03,649 --> 01:48:01,250
and we didn't come up with the magic

2665
01:48:05,570 --> 01:48:03,659
number of dilution or succussion I went

2666
01:48:08,689 --> 01:48:05,580
to a a sensitive

2667
01:48:11,330 --> 01:48:08,699
because the permutations are endless

2668
01:48:13,189 --> 01:48:11,340
and he said do it a bunch of times and

2669
01:48:14,810 --> 01:48:13,199
so we pounded this and we poured that

2670
01:48:16,729 --> 01:48:14,820
and we diluted this we poured that we

2671
01:48:18,530 --> 01:48:16,739
did this and that and then we recruited

2672
01:48:19,750 --> 01:48:18,540
the 300 people in three different

2673
01:48:22,790 --> 01:48:19,760
clinical

2674
01:48:25,189 --> 01:48:22,800
tests using tests Loosely did anything

2675
01:48:26,629 --> 01:48:25,199
happen and all I had to do was come in

2676
01:48:28,189 --> 01:48:26,639
with you know conditions they had

2677
01:48:30,830 --> 01:48:28,199
psychological problems they had physical

2678
01:48:32,570 --> 01:48:30,840
problems they had mental problems some

2679
01:48:35,030 --> 01:48:32,580
said they had spiritual Pro I don't know

2680
01:48:36,709 --> 01:48:35,040
they had problems so we didn't have a

2681
01:48:39,530 --> 01:48:36,719
sample of anything that we could

2682
01:48:42,169 --> 01:48:39,540
generalize we just had a bunch of people

2683
01:48:43,310 --> 01:48:42,179
with problems now one of the problems

2684
01:48:44,990 --> 01:48:43,320
with getting a bunch of people with

2685
01:48:47,450 --> 01:48:45,000
problems is you also have a phenomenon

2686
01:48:49,609 --> 01:48:47,460
known as regression to the mean

2687
01:48:52,390 --> 01:48:49,619
so if you take an extreme you can you're

2688
01:48:55,790 --> 01:48:52,400
gonna you're gonna get changes

2689
01:48:58,729 --> 01:48:55,800
nonetheless short version in our three

2690
01:49:01,609 --> 01:48:58,739
clinical trials using trial Loosely in

2691
01:49:04,550 --> 01:49:01,619
our three clinical trials 98 of the

2692
01:49:07,790 --> 01:49:04,560
people reported significant changes

2693
01:49:10,729 --> 01:49:07,800
and they took this water sublingual

2694
01:49:13,010 --> 01:49:10,739
drops two drops under the tongue four

2695
01:49:14,870 --> 01:49:13,020
times a day and they guarantee that they

2696
01:49:17,990 --> 01:49:14,880
would do it for eight weeks and we would

2697
01:49:20,270 --> 01:49:18,000
get evaluations every two weeks the data

2698
01:49:22,850 --> 01:49:20,280
are unbelievable I mean you know I mean

2699
01:49:25,070 --> 01:49:22,860
they're literally unbelievable

2700
01:49:26,570 --> 01:49:25,080
um and so it did you know numerical

2701
01:49:29,689 --> 01:49:26,580
stuff with it here there and the other

2702
01:49:31,250 --> 01:49:29,699
and they're extremely strong stuffs that

2703
01:49:33,290 --> 01:49:31,260
that occurred

2704
01:49:35,689 --> 01:49:33,300
but the interesting part the one the

2705
01:49:37,310 --> 01:49:35,699
part that got my attention is that some

2706
01:49:38,810 --> 01:49:37,320
of the stuff that happened at least by

2707
01:49:41,390 --> 01:49:38,820
self-report

2708
01:49:44,209 --> 01:49:41,400
seemed to be stronger than the stuff

2709
01:49:46,370 --> 01:49:44,219
we've heard from live

2710
01:49:48,350 --> 01:49:46,380
so I'll give you an anecdote and this is

2711
01:49:50,930 --> 01:49:48,360
nothing more than an anecdote

2712
01:49:53,810 --> 01:49:50,940
one guy who was in a wheelchair from

2713
01:49:55,310 --> 01:49:53,820
Parkinson's for five years

2714
01:49:57,709 --> 01:49:55,320
hadn't been out of the wheelchair

2715
01:50:00,109 --> 01:49:57,719
essentially in five years sublingual

2716
01:50:02,810 --> 01:50:00,119
drops I think it was by the sixth week

2717
01:50:04,609 --> 01:50:02,820
he had thrown out his wheelchair threw

2718
01:50:06,530 --> 01:50:04,619
out the Walkers and he was walking a

2719
01:50:09,229 --> 01:50:06,540
mile at a time

2720
01:50:10,970 --> 01:50:09,239
now that's interesting

2721
01:50:12,530 --> 01:50:10,980
and the reason it's interesting to

2722
01:50:14,930 --> 01:50:12,540
someone like me is that we've tried

2723
01:50:17,270 --> 01:50:14,940
trading Parkinson's patients you know

2724
01:50:18,350 --> 01:50:17,280
live with the hands on and we don't make

2725
01:50:20,750 --> 01:50:18,360
a dent

2726
01:50:22,790 --> 01:50:20,760
I mean maybe it danced but the Dent's

2727
01:50:24,410 --> 01:50:22,800
not a particularly big dance it's not

2728
01:50:25,669 --> 01:50:24,420
it's nothing that you'd start flopping

2729
01:50:27,830 --> 01:50:25,679
on the floor and getting impressed with

2730
01:50:29,629 --> 01:50:27,840
it said a little bit of improvement

2731
01:50:33,109 --> 01:50:29,639
symptomatic for a short period of time

2732
01:50:36,350 --> 01:50:33,119
this guy threw out his wheelchairs

2733
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:36,360
now we talk about Divergent responses

2734
01:50:40,070 --> 01:50:38,400
we've also had Parkinson's people not

2735
01:50:42,109 --> 01:50:40,080
throw out their wheelchairs

2736
01:50:44,390 --> 01:50:42,119
so there's variation in response it's

2737
01:50:46,550 --> 01:50:44,400
not a miracle but some of the Miracles

2738
01:50:49,330 --> 01:50:46,560
we're looking at seem to be stronger

2739
01:50:53,750 --> 01:50:49,340
than what the original was

2740
01:50:56,149 --> 01:50:53,760
so we I just finished

2741
01:50:57,890 --> 01:50:56,159
a number of studies that really were

2742
01:50:59,390 --> 01:50:57,900
experiments and I'm not going to go into

2743
01:51:02,330 --> 01:50:59,400
a lot of the details because they're not

2744
01:51:04,850 --> 01:51:02,340
published yet but but under control

2745
01:51:06,770 --> 01:51:04,860
conditions double-blind conditions can

2746
01:51:10,669 --> 01:51:06,780
we take some of this water

2747
01:51:12,590 --> 01:51:10,679
give it to people who are seriously ill

2748
01:51:14,870 --> 01:51:12,600
some will get the water some will just

2749
01:51:17,270 --> 01:51:14,880
get control water will we see a

2750
01:51:19,850 --> 01:51:17,280
difference and the answer like Dean and

2751
01:51:21,950 --> 01:51:19,860
the blessings of the whatever yes

2752
01:51:24,709 --> 01:51:21,960
something real is going on

2753
01:51:28,790 --> 01:51:24,719
and it seems to be in a using a system

2754
01:51:32,570 --> 01:51:28,800
that we can scale the water

2755
01:51:35,149 --> 01:51:32,580
so maybe perhaps fingers crossed

2756
01:51:37,189 --> 01:51:35,159
water will be better than a recording

2757
01:51:38,390 --> 01:51:37,199
frankly fingers crossed would say the

2758
01:51:39,950 --> 01:51:38,400
recording should be better than the

2759
01:51:42,590 --> 01:51:39,960
water because we can immediately scale

2760
01:51:45,950 --> 01:51:42,600
that but we figured out a system to

2761
01:51:49,189 --> 01:51:45,960
scale this stuff water anyway uh and and

2762
01:51:50,570 --> 01:51:49,199
do the experiment with the scaled water

2763
01:51:52,490 --> 01:51:50,580
to

2764
01:51:55,070 --> 01:51:52,500
a couple hundred people

2765
01:51:57,050 --> 01:51:55,080
and the number we've had is we're close

2766
01:51:58,430 --> 01:51:57,060
to 500 people under control conditions

2767
01:52:01,310 --> 01:51:58,440
now

2768
01:52:04,250 --> 01:52:01,320
um there's no even a skeptic like me

2769
01:52:08,030 --> 01:52:04,260
says Whoa something's going on here this

2770
01:52:10,490 --> 01:52:08,040
is worth going down a rabbit hole for it

2771
01:52:13,910 --> 01:52:10,500
any thoughts on that thing Dean

2772
01:52:16,669 --> 01:52:13,920
yeah I have some of that magic water

2773
01:52:20,149 --> 01:52:16,679
um I don't fortunately haven't had a

2774
01:52:23,390 --> 01:52:20,159
need to use it but I have it

2775
01:52:25,729 --> 01:52:23,400
um is it well given that I've done

2776
01:52:28,189 --> 01:52:25,739
experiments involving water and we see

2777
01:52:30,649 --> 01:52:28,199
changes in in plant growth and cell

2778
01:52:31,550 --> 01:52:30,659
growth and human mood and things of that

2779
01:52:35,810 --> 01:52:31,560
sort

2780
01:52:38,629 --> 01:52:35,820
uh yeah I I can accept what what bill is

2781
01:52:41,870 --> 01:52:38,639
saying I I do think that underneath it

2782
01:52:44,270 --> 01:52:41,880
there's uh something about the with the

2783
01:52:47,810 --> 01:52:44,280
water in particular the ritual of the

2784
01:52:50,810 --> 01:52:47,820
succussion the dilution all of that

2785
01:52:53,450 --> 01:52:50,820
that is injecting meaning into the into

2786
01:52:55,850 --> 01:52:53,460
the process itself which might be

2787
01:52:58,189 --> 01:52:55,860
important for this kind of phenomenal

2788
01:52:59,930 --> 01:52:58,199
and and I don't know so again I'm

2789
01:53:02,990 --> 01:52:59,940
walking around you know charging a glass

2790
01:53:05,570 --> 01:53:03,000
of water on the deck and after that I'm

2791
01:53:07,609 --> 01:53:05,580
um I'm out in the backyard pounding you

2792
01:53:09,410 --> 01:53:07,619
know on a wooden table this thing that

2793
01:53:11,030 --> 01:53:09,420
trying to success it and then I gave it

2794
01:53:12,649 --> 01:53:11,040
to Margaret who tries to then dilute it

2795
01:53:15,050 --> 01:53:12,659
and then I go out there and pound it and

2796
01:53:16,550 --> 01:53:15,060
yeah I I I don't know what I'm doing and

2797
01:53:18,709 --> 01:53:16,560
I don't know why I'm doing it I'm

2798
01:53:20,930 --> 01:53:18,719
following a method and I'm making it my

2799
01:53:23,330 --> 01:53:20,940
own but I'm I'm following a method that

2800
01:53:26,330 --> 01:53:23,340
I do not comprehend and I have to go out

2801
01:53:28,250 --> 01:53:26,340
and test it you know and I I've done a

2802
01:53:30,950 --> 01:53:28,260
something's going on there

2803
01:53:32,990 --> 01:53:30,960
if that's really happening go ahead the

2804
01:53:35,090 --> 01:53:33,000
ritual the ritual part of it I think is

2805
01:53:36,770 --> 01:53:35,100
important as well even even without

2806
01:53:39,410 --> 01:53:36,780
understanding the ritual too much you're

2807
01:53:41,270 --> 01:53:39,420
doing an action the action is a way of

2808
01:53:44,390 --> 01:53:41,280
focusing attention on what you're doing

2809
01:53:46,729 --> 01:53:44,400
yeah I I I I got nothing here's a good

2810
01:53:48,410 --> 01:53:46,739
question kind of related to that

2811
01:53:50,030 --> 01:53:48,420
do either one of you think blessed Water

2812
01:53:52,129 --> 01:53:50,040
by spiritual leaders like in the

2813
01:53:54,530 --> 01:53:52,139
Catholic religion holy water works the

2814
01:54:00,070 --> 01:53:57,350
well the same way we we it's hard to

2815
01:54:03,290 --> 01:54:00,080
take part as attention and tension yeah

2816
01:54:04,550 --> 01:54:03,300
I guess right I mean it's hard to answer

2817
01:54:05,629 --> 01:54:04,560
those kinds of questions because we

2818
01:54:07,729 --> 01:54:05,639
don't know what we're doing in the first

2819
01:54:09,950 --> 01:54:07,739
place so we say is this strange thing

2820
01:54:12,530 --> 01:54:09,960
similar to that strange thing well

2821
01:54:13,430 --> 01:54:12,540
there's some resemblance but we we don't

2822
01:54:15,350 --> 01:54:13,440
know

2823
01:54:17,270 --> 01:54:15,360
somebody at some point must have thought

2824
01:54:20,090 --> 01:54:17,280
water was meaningful

2825
01:54:23,229 --> 01:54:20,100
yeah well we we are not only about 70

2826
01:54:26,870 --> 01:54:23,239
actual water as adults but like 98

2827
01:54:29,810 --> 01:54:26,880
hydrogen oxygen bonds within the body so

2828
01:54:31,790 --> 01:54:29,820
we're water beings essentially are we're

2829
01:54:34,850 --> 01:54:31,800
fish who've somehow figured out a way of

2830
01:54:36,770 --> 01:54:34,860
carrying our water around with us so

2831
01:54:40,790 --> 01:54:36,780
maintain hydration

2832
01:54:44,209 --> 01:54:42,530
Bill how excited are you about the

2833
01:54:45,290 --> 01:54:44,219
possibilities of this water this latest

2834
01:54:47,090 --> 01:54:45,300
research

2835
01:54:51,770 --> 01:54:47,100
I'm stunned

2836
01:54:53,570 --> 01:54:51,780
obviously more replications I want other

2837
01:54:55,129 --> 01:54:53,580
people independently replicating What

2838
01:54:56,990 --> 01:54:55,139
I've Done

2839
01:55:01,090 --> 01:54:57,000
um and I want to try it on different

2840
01:55:04,970 --> 01:55:01,100
conditions so the the initial 300 person

2841
01:55:07,790 --> 01:55:04,980
series of clinical trials was not

2842
01:55:10,310 --> 01:55:07,800
targeted towards a particular condition

2843
01:55:12,709 --> 01:55:10,320
it was just some of the people had

2844
01:55:14,270 --> 01:55:12,719
depression some were bipolar some were

2845
01:55:16,910 --> 01:55:14,280
had cancer some had you know whatever

2846
01:55:20,209 --> 01:55:16,920
and we were just taking anybody who who

2847
01:55:22,149 --> 01:55:20,219
needed help what I'm looking for now is

2848
01:55:25,310 --> 01:55:22,159
a series of targeted

2849
01:55:28,550 --> 01:55:25,320
conditions so for example if we

2850
01:55:30,169 --> 01:55:28,560
if we have depression does is it better

2851
01:55:33,169 --> 01:55:30,179
on depression versus

2852
01:55:34,790 --> 01:55:33,179
you know we got the anecdote now that it

2853
01:55:36,350 --> 01:55:34,800
seems to be very good on depression it

2854
01:55:38,390 --> 01:55:36,360
seems to be very good on bipolar it

2855
01:55:40,970 --> 01:55:38,400
seems to be very good on cancerous

2856
01:55:42,830 --> 01:55:40,980
tumors it seems to be very good on can

2857
01:55:44,750 --> 01:55:42,840
we take this out and do like an entire

2858
01:55:47,330 --> 01:55:44,760
trial on cancer

2859
01:55:50,689 --> 01:55:47,340
I'd like I'd like to get some targeted

2860
01:55:52,910 --> 01:55:50,699
targeted stuff yeah but but frankly you

2861
01:55:55,550 --> 01:55:52,920
know you you're thinking like I I found

2862
01:55:57,770 --> 01:55:55,560
this the only thing that happens to me

2863
01:56:01,310 --> 01:55:57,780
when I finish the study is oh my God I

2864
01:56:02,689 --> 01:56:01,320
just have to do at least 20 more yes the

2865
01:56:05,209 --> 01:56:02,699
implications of this are pretty

2866
01:56:07,669 --> 01:56:05,219
astounding and the earlier stuff you

2867
01:56:09,950 --> 01:56:07,679
know that you could ask Dean do you

2868
01:56:11,149 --> 01:56:09,960
believe in the double slit oh you don't

2869
01:56:13,910 --> 01:56:11,159
believe in the double slit it double

2870
01:56:15,169 --> 01:56:13,920
slits uh do you believe in healing no I

2871
01:56:16,910 --> 01:56:15,179
don't believe in healing you'd have to

2872
01:56:18,470 --> 01:56:16,920
be crazy to believe in healing I just

2873
01:56:21,470 --> 01:56:18,480
don't stop

2874
01:56:24,169 --> 01:56:21,480
yeah the other thing that the bill has

2875
01:56:27,590 --> 01:56:24,179
encountered this and I as as well you do

2876
01:56:29,750 --> 01:56:27,600
a study he comes out fabulously well and

2877
01:56:31,430 --> 01:56:29,760
then they immediately start thinking uh

2878
01:56:33,050 --> 01:56:31,440
well first of all even my colleagues are

2879
01:56:36,530 --> 01:56:33,060
not going to believe this

2880
01:56:39,709 --> 01:56:36,540
so maybe maybe I won't publish it or if

2881
01:56:42,229 --> 01:56:39,719
I do you know I have to how do I vet it

2882
01:56:44,209 --> 01:56:42,239
in such a way to convince myself as

2883
01:56:46,430 --> 01:56:44,219
close to Absolute as I can that it

2884
01:56:48,649 --> 01:56:46,440
wasn't a mistake and then how do I

2885
01:56:50,689 --> 01:56:48,659
describe it to colleagues and then how

2886
01:56:53,510 --> 01:56:50,699
do I get them to try to replicate it yep

2887
01:56:56,209 --> 01:56:53,520
well all of those I mean if you do a

2888
01:56:58,310 --> 01:56:56,219
study and nothing comes out at all not

2889
01:56:59,689 --> 01:56:58,320
only is that kind of a relief but you

2890
01:57:01,609 --> 01:56:59,699
can then publish that in a very high

2891
01:57:03,229 --> 01:57:01,619
tier Journal because it will confirm

2892
01:57:05,149 --> 01:57:03,239
what people already believe because

2893
01:57:06,950 --> 01:57:05,159
that's a little crazy yeah if you get

2894
01:57:10,010 --> 01:57:06,960
the other result in saying holy smoke

2895
01:57:11,810 --> 01:57:10,020
what is what is this very difficult to

2896
01:57:14,990 --> 01:57:11,820
get anybody to pay attention or even to

2897
01:57:16,490 --> 01:57:15,000
publish it it's exciting because

2898
01:57:17,930 --> 01:57:16,500
um we're heading in a direction which I

2899
01:57:20,089 --> 01:57:17,940
didn't really think I'd see in my

2900
01:57:21,709 --> 01:57:20,099
lifetime which I really am amazed about

2901
01:57:22,550 --> 01:57:21,719
and I want to ask both of you if you've

2902
01:57:24,229 --> 01:57:22,560
had

2903
01:57:26,149 --> 01:57:24,239
behind the scenes how are your

2904
01:57:28,370 --> 01:57:26,159
colleagues and how are people in the

2905
01:57:30,109 --> 01:57:28,380
scientific world changing opening Minds

2906
01:57:33,109 --> 01:57:30,119
first thing because I know you have your

2907
01:57:34,189 --> 01:57:33,119
heart out well I yeah I have a two

2908
01:57:36,050 --> 01:57:34,199
o'clock

2909
01:57:40,070 --> 01:57:36,060
part out here

2910
01:57:42,050 --> 01:57:40,080
um I would say that uh we we if you step

2911
01:57:45,350 --> 01:57:42,060
back and look historically at where we

2912
01:57:48,109 --> 01:57:45,360
are there's a massive change going on

2913
01:57:50,209 --> 01:57:48,119
within the scientific World in that uh

2914
01:57:51,649 --> 01:57:50,219
30 years ago if you told somebody that

2915
01:57:53,930 --> 01:57:51,659
you're a scientist and you're studying

2916
01:57:55,910 --> 01:57:53,940
Consciousness they would look at you

2917
01:57:58,370 --> 01:57:55,920
strangely and walk away

2918
01:58:00,470 --> 01:57:58,380
uh today you can say that and people say

2919
01:58:02,030 --> 01:58:00,480
oh how were you studying it what are you

2920
01:58:04,129 --> 01:58:02,040
doing and you go to this conference or

2921
01:58:05,930 --> 01:58:04,139
that conference so that's that's really

2922
01:58:08,570 --> 01:58:05,940
a massive change that has happened in

2923
01:58:11,570 --> 01:58:08,580
about about three decades so roughly

2924
01:58:14,510 --> 01:58:11,580
like one one and a half generations of

2925
01:58:16,370 --> 01:58:14,520
students that's a very fast change that

2926
01:58:19,510 --> 01:58:16,380
is not showing any sign of slowing down

2927
01:58:23,570 --> 01:58:19,520
that means that uh if we will project

2928
01:58:26,270 --> 01:58:23,580
forward another couple of decades uh

2929
01:58:28,609 --> 01:58:26,280
we're likely to find out much more about

2930
01:58:31,609 --> 01:58:28,619
Consciousness in general whether we find

2931
01:58:32,810 --> 01:58:31,619
out about the kinds of aspects of

2932
01:58:33,950 --> 01:58:32,820
Consciousness that we're talking about

2933
01:58:37,430 --> 01:58:33,960
here

2934
01:58:39,589 --> 01:58:37,440
that's a little less certain but I I

2935
01:58:42,229 --> 01:58:39,599
know because I'm contacted all the time

2936
01:58:44,030 --> 01:58:42,239
by uh students and and younger

2937
01:58:46,310 --> 01:58:44,040
scientists who would just desperately

2938
01:58:48,350 --> 01:58:46,320
want to study this stuff that when

2939
01:58:51,050 --> 01:58:48,360
opportunities begin to arise meaning

2940
01:58:54,050 --> 01:58:51,060
funding primarily uh that there'll be

2941
01:58:55,550 --> 01:58:54,060
plenty of people to step in and do that

2942
01:58:57,589 --> 01:58:55,560
because it's I mean what could be more

2943
01:58:59,270 --> 01:58:57,599
fascinating

2944
01:59:01,310 --> 01:58:59,280
and I'm going to let you go Dean because

2945
01:59:03,050 --> 01:59:01,320
I know if Bill starts answering I don't

2946
01:59:04,490 --> 01:59:03,060
want to let you go in the middle of the

2947
01:59:05,689 --> 01:59:04,500
question I thank you so much for being

2948
01:59:07,550 --> 01:59:05,699
here and I'll definitely want to have

2949
01:59:08,689 --> 01:59:07,560
you back sometime in the future I

2950
01:59:10,310 --> 01:59:08,699
appreciate all the work you've done

2951
01:59:11,870 --> 01:59:10,320
conscious Universe was the first book I

2952
01:59:15,050 --> 01:59:11,880
read by you and it's just opened my eyes

2953
01:59:18,530 --> 01:59:15,060
so thank you for being here thank you I

2954
01:59:21,950 --> 01:59:20,570
I just want to go over real quick just a

2955
01:59:23,510 --> 01:59:21,960
couple of things so talk about the

2956
01:59:25,070 --> 01:59:23,520
doctors who stole the bottles of water

2957
01:59:27,649 --> 01:59:25,080
treated water

2958
01:59:30,770 --> 01:59:27,659
oh well I yeah I was doing an experiment

2959
01:59:33,229 --> 01:59:30,780
uh recently and uh

2960
01:59:35,689 --> 01:59:33,239
we were in a Covenant Hospital I wasn't

2961
01:59:38,330 --> 01:59:35,699
there because I'm blinded to this and

2962
01:59:40,850 --> 01:59:38,340
that and uh but it was double blind

2963
01:59:43,609 --> 01:59:40,860
study and so the people administering

2964
01:59:45,290 --> 01:59:43,619
water whether it was the treated water

2965
01:59:47,209 --> 01:59:45,300
the untreated water they didn't know

2966
01:59:49,669 --> 01:59:47,219
patients didn't know nobody knew

2967
01:59:53,089 --> 01:59:49,679
everything was seriously blinded but the

2968
01:59:55,370 --> 01:59:53,099
doctors started in the hospital said you

2969
01:59:57,290 --> 01:59:55,380
know it doesn't seem it seems like the

2970
01:59:58,850 --> 01:59:57,300
people who take this water

2971
02:00:01,370 --> 01:59:58,860
are getting better

2972
02:00:03,470 --> 02:00:01,380
and they they they scooped up some water

2973
02:00:05,930 --> 02:00:03,480
and took it for their private patients

2974
02:00:08,030 --> 02:00:05,940
at home which is an interesting anecdote

2975
02:00:10,250 --> 02:00:08,040
still only an anecdote but it's it's

2976
02:00:11,930 --> 02:00:10,260
interesting

2977
02:00:13,669 --> 02:00:11,940
what do you think and I I know you spoke

2978
02:00:14,930 --> 02:00:13,679
about this with Jeffrey mishlav what do

2979
02:00:17,570 --> 02:00:14,940
you think will happen if you get your

2980
02:00:20,030 --> 02:00:17,580
paper published and you start giving

2981
02:00:23,750 --> 02:00:20,040
this water away where's Bill gonna be

2982
02:00:28,370 --> 02:00:26,510
well what I want to do frankly is is

2983
02:00:30,169 --> 02:00:28,380
start looking at at you know different

2984
02:00:32,689 --> 02:00:30,179
conditions and what what we can affect

2985
02:00:35,270 --> 02:00:32,699
because I'm still thinking lab stuff uh

2986
02:00:37,609 --> 02:00:35,280
it'd be nice to get get the water out

2987
02:00:40,430 --> 02:00:37,619
there uh and the water is going out

2988
02:00:42,290 --> 02:00:40,440
there now uh so we're figuring out a way

2989
02:00:45,050 --> 02:00:42,300
to mass produce the stuff and there's a

2990
02:00:46,910 --> 02:00:45,060
group in the Netherlands uh trying to

2991
02:00:49,910 --> 02:00:46,920
figure out how to bring this stuff to

2992
02:00:51,830 --> 02:00:49,920
Market my big thing about it is it needs

2993
02:00:54,350 --> 02:00:51,840
to be cheap so that it's widely

2994
02:00:56,510 --> 02:00:54,360
available and nobody gets excluded you

2995
02:00:58,910 --> 02:00:56,520
know who needs help

2996
02:01:00,470 --> 02:00:58,920
um my my draw will always be going back

2997
02:01:03,709 --> 02:01:00,480
to the lab other people are going to

2998
02:01:06,169 --> 02:01:03,719
take it and turn it into a

2999
02:01:08,050 --> 02:01:06,179
business you know and I'm not putting

3000
02:01:11,570 --> 02:01:08,060
that down it's just not my thing

3001
02:01:14,270 --> 02:01:11,580
are you worried about the CDC or the FDA

3002
02:01:16,850 --> 02:01:14,280
reaction if you start selling or just it

3003
02:01:18,950 --> 02:01:16,860
becomes popular that Dr Bill Benson is

3004
02:01:22,790 --> 02:01:18,960
giving away or selling water treated

3005
02:01:25,669 --> 02:01:22,800
water that can heal covet or cancer

3006
02:01:29,149 --> 02:01:25,679
well I mean the thing is that that you

3007
02:01:31,609 --> 02:01:29,159
know I I I can show data you know I I'm

3008
02:01:34,910 --> 02:01:31,619
not asking anyone to believe

3009
02:01:36,950 --> 02:01:34,920
um uh but I I can show data and this

3010
02:01:39,410 --> 02:01:36,960
goes to the question of who wants what

3011
02:01:42,169 --> 02:01:39,420
this will be driven by

3012
02:01:44,089 --> 02:01:42,179
I mean an FDA you just got to be careful

3013
02:01:46,430 --> 02:01:44,099
what you say or you don't say

3014
02:01:49,490 --> 02:01:46,440
you know I I know a little about the FDA

3015
02:01:50,810 --> 02:01:49,500
but I do know that it's um it can be

3016
02:01:52,729 --> 02:01:50,820
somewhat restrictive and you have to be

3017
02:01:55,250 --> 02:01:52,739
careful and if I say I'm just giving

3018
02:01:56,990 --> 02:01:55,260
away water what why can you get upset

3019
02:01:58,669 --> 02:01:57,000
well it turns out the FDA regulates

3020
02:02:01,129 --> 02:01:58,679
water so

3021
02:02:04,669 --> 02:02:01,139
I don't know I don't think in those in

3022
02:02:08,109 --> 02:02:04,679
those terms you know it's it's one of my

3023
02:02:15,470 --> 02:02:11,530
what's the next study we need to do

3024
02:02:25,669 --> 02:02:15,480
I'm sorry my dog is going crazy um same

3025
02:02:29,629 --> 02:02:27,830
I think you need some treated water so

3026
02:02:32,030 --> 02:02:29,639
are you seeing the same thing with Dean

3027
02:02:35,030 --> 02:02:32,040
other colleagues that are that are more

3028
02:02:39,890 --> 02:02:35,040
open to this last question well there's

3029
02:02:42,050 --> 02:02:39,900
there's people who are fascinated by it

3030
02:02:43,490 --> 02:02:42,060
um you know it's hard not to get drawn

3031
02:02:46,070 --> 02:02:43,500
into it it's it's it's pretty

3032
02:02:47,689 --> 02:02:46,080
interesting but it's very difficult to

3033
02:02:49,970 --> 02:02:47,699
try to replicate you know as I said this

3034
02:02:52,790 --> 02:02:49,980
stuff is not easy to do it's not cheap

3035
02:02:55,070 --> 02:02:52,800
to do it's it's annoying to do you need

3036
02:02:57,109 --> 02:02:55,080
a lot of stuff going on to get it done

3037
02:02:58,550 --> 02:02:57,119
and I'm trying to make it so it that

3038
02:03:00,709 --> 02:02:58,560
it's simpler

3039
02:03:02,209 --> 02:03:00,719
uh so the methods are out there if

3040
02:03:04,129 --> 02:03:02,219
anybody listening to this wants to try

3041
02:03:06,350 --> 02:03:04,139
to replicate this I don't keep a secret

3042
02:03:08,750 --> 02:03:06,360
of what I'm doing you know I mean I

3043
02:03:12,109 --> 02:03:08,760
teach in workshops I got a CD set that

3044
02:03:14,030 --> 02:03:12,119
people can allegedly listen to it and

3045
02:03:16,189 --> 02:03:14,040
then just do it for themselves you know

3046
02:03:17,930 --> 02:03:16,199
it's it's not a it's not a hidden secret

3047
02:03:20,390 --> 02:03:17,940
that I have

3048
02:03:22,370 --> 02:03:20,400
um it's the experimental stuff that's

3049
02:03:24,649 --> 02:03:22,380
hard to do because you know it's hard to

3050
02:03:26,209 --> 02:03:24,659
get the resources to be able to do what

3051
02:03:27,950 --> 02:03:26,219
I've been able to do you know so I've

3052
02:03:30,830 --> 02:03:27,960
been fortunate in getting the backing

3053
02:03:33,350 --> 02:03:30,840
the funding the labs and you know like I

3054
02:03:34,609 --> 02:03:33,360
showed before I've been around a lot of

3055
02:03:36,410 --> 02:03:34,619
places

3056
02:03:39,050 --> 02:03:36,420
and I'm getting you know pretty

3057
02:03:42,169 --> 02:03:39,060
networked in and and people are

3058
02:03:43,370 --> 02:03:42,179
fascinated by it uh but you also have

3059
02:03:46,070 --> 02:03:43,380
the social thing you're not allowed to

3060
02:03:51,109 --> 02:03:47,750
one question about your water healing

3061
02:03:52,609 --> 02:03:51,119
does it matter if the healers are

3062
02:03:54,709 --> 02:03:52,619
have if they have intention to heal

3063
02:03:57,290 --> 02:03:54,719
cancer to heal no it doesn't matter

3064
02:03:58,669 --> 02:03:57,300
right it's just healing take this

3065
02:04:00,950 --> 02:03:58,679
there's a good chance you might get

3066
02:04:02,930 --> 02:04:00,960
better from this water it's not even an

3067
02:04:05,510 --> 02:04:02,940
intention of healing I don't I don't I

3068
02:04:07,430 --> 02:04:05,520
just I hold the water and I cycle

3069
02:04:09,169 --> 02:04:07,440
that's all I do I don't have an

3070
02:04:14,089 --> 02:04:09,179
intention of this or that I'm not

3071
02:04:16,370 --> 02:04:14,099
forcing my um my my psyche on on the

3072
02:04:18,530 --> 02:04:16,380
world of nothing like that's going on

3073
02:04:22,030 --> 02:04:18,540
it's much much much simpler than that

3074
02:04:24,470 --> 02:04:22,040
and much more Elemental

3075
02:04:25,310 --> 02:04:24,480
actually one of the things I'd like to

3076
02:04:29,270 --> 02:04:25,320
do

3077
02:04:31,790 --> 02:04:29,280
soon is an experiment on whether or not

3078
02:04:33,770 --> 02:04:31,800
directed intention will produce

3079
02:04:36,530 --> 02:04:33,780
something different than non-directed

3080
02:04:40,729 --> 02:04:36,540
intention so for example

3081
02:04:42,830 --> 02:04:40,739
if I if I do uh if I treat a piece of

3082
02:04:44,750 --> 02:04:42,840
cotton and I treat a piece of cotton

3083
02:04:47,330 --> 02:04:44,760
just to treat a piece of cotton and it

3084
02:04:48,770 --> 02:04:47,340
acts as a healing surrogate will that be

3085
02:04:50,689 --> 02:04:48,780
different than if I treat a piece of

3086
02:04:53,209 --> 02:04:50,699
cotton for a particular condition and I

3087
02:04:59,390 --> 02:04:55,669
um my suspicion and it's not to be

3088
02:05:00,229 --> 02:04:59,400
trusted but my suspicion is that

3089
02:05:02,209 --> 02:05:00,239
um

3090
02:05:03,470 --> 02:05:02,219
direct intention won't won't add

3091
02:05:05,810 --> 02:05:03,480
anything to it because I don't think

3092
02:05:10,370 --> 02:05:05,820
healing has much to do with your

3093
02:05:16,310 --> 02:05:13,250
well if if I

3094
02:05:18,890 --> 02:05:16,320
believe if this is really as successful

3095
02:05:21,109 --> 02:05:18,900
as you're talking about it's it should

3096
02:05:23,270 --> 02:05:21,119
though it should change the world it

3097
02:05:24,229 --> 02:05:23,280
should open people's minds

3098
02:05:26,450 --> 02:05:24,239
um I don't know if you agree with this

3099
02:05:28,129 --> 02:05:26,460
but basically I say a lot the world is

3100
02:05:32,030 --> 02:05:28,139
so much different than what we've been

3101
02:05:36,350 --> 02:05:33,890
let's take it into the next step by

3102
02:05:37,850 --> 02:05:36,360
world is so much different than I see it

3103
02:05:41,689 --> 02:05:37,860
too

3104
02:05:45,109 --> 02:05:41,699
to make sense of my own data the good

3105
02:05:47,209 --> 02:05:45,119
news is when people like Dean and me do

3106
02:05:49,430 --> 02:05:47,219
experiments

3107
02:05:52,070 --> 02:05:49,440
we don't have to understand it to do the

3108
02:05:55,550 --> 02:05:54,169
and if I look at all the stuff like I

3109
02:05:57,229 --> 02:05:55,560
gave you the list of you know things we

3110
02:05:58,490 --> 02:05:57,239
think we know and things we think we

3111
02:06:01,669 --> 02:05:58,500
don't know

3112
02:06:05,109 --> 02:06:01,679
um

3113
02:06:07,669 --> 02:06:05,119
the things we don't know far out out

3114
02:06:09,050 --> 02:06:07,679
steps the things that we know and the

3115
02:06:10,850 --> 02:06:09,060
things that we know are probably going

3116
02:06:12,350 --> 02:06:10,860
to need to be modified in the course of

3117
02:06:14,629 --> 02:06:12,360
time anyway

3118
02:06:16,850 --> 02:06:14,639
final question you still excited but do

3119
02:06:19,070 --> 02:06:16,860
you still get excited doing this for me

3120
02:06:20,450 --> 02:06:19,080
the more I learn the more I don't want

3121
02:06:22,430 --> 02:06:20,460
to sleep because there's just so much

3122
02:06:24,169 --> 02:06:22,440
new information especially your new

3123
02:06:26,030 --> 02:06:24,179
water experiment I cannot wait to share

3124
02:06:28,010 --> 02:06:26,040
that with people yeah it's it's it's

3125
02:06:31,010 --> 02:06:28,020
it's reasonably interesting it just went

3126
02:06:33,470 --> 02:06:31,020
out to a journal a couple days ago

3127
02:06:36,709 --> 02:06:33,480
um and a couple of days before that I

3128
02:06:38,209 --> 02:06:36,719
had another recording piece go out to a

3129
02:06:40,669 --> 02:06:38,219
journal that's already accepted by a

3130
02:06:42,950 --> 02:06:40,679
biology Journal uh that's that's the

3131
02:06:45,229 --> 02:06:42,960
work I did in Tokyo

3132
02:06:48,109 --> 02:06:45,239
um the water stuff is I'm pretty excited

3133
02:06:50,089 --> 02:06:48,119
about it's it's it's confounding because

3134
02:06:53,689 --> 02:06:50,099
it doesn't make any sense I don't have

3135
02:06:56,810 --> 02:06:53,699
the conceptual tools to to wrap my head

3136
02:06:59,510 --> 02:06:56,820
around why it works but at this point no

3137
02:07:02,810 --> 02:06:59,520
matter how skeptical I may be

3138
02:07:04,910 --> 02:07:02,820
some Works some works

3139
02:07:07,609 --> 02:07:04,920
yeah it seems to have captured something

3140
02:07:10,370 --> 02:07:07,619
more than the recording it's just

3141
02:07:12,530 --> 02:07:10,380
slightly more difficult to scale

3142
02:07:14,030 --> 02:07:12,540
it's exciting and um I appreciate you

3143
02:07:15,830 --> 02:07:14,040
doing this I'm so happy I got to do it

3144
02:07:17,990 --> 02:07:15,840
I'm so happy I was introduced to your

3145
02:07:20,330 --> 02:07:18,000
work and I I'll hopefully we'll do this

3146
02:07:22,310 --> 02:07:20,340
again and next time I'm in New York I

3147
02:07:24,470 --> 02:07:22,320
will stop by and we will hang out

3148
02:07:26,810 --> 02:07:24,480
together that'd be fun all right Bill

3149
02:07:29,750 --> 02:07:26,820
thanks thank you tell Margaret thank you

3150
02:07:31,310 --> 02:07:29,760
will do see ya

3151
02:07:32,990 --> 02:07:31,320
oh that went well

3152
02:07:35,689 --> 02:07:33,000
um I was worried I wouldn't get all my

3153
02:07:36,950 --> 02:07:35,699
questions in but I think I did I mean I

3154
02:07:40,189 --> 02:07:36,960
have a lot of stuff I didn't get to but

3155
02:07:41,810 --> 02:07:40,199
that's fine I wrote too much stuff down

3156
02:07:43,430 --> 02:07:41,820
um you guys

3157
02:07:46,010 --> 02:07:43,440
hopefully you will spread it around

3158
02:07:47,570 --> 02:07:46,020
because the water experiments are

3159
02:07:49,870 --> 02:07:47,580
amazing and like I said I did not

3160
02:07:52,490 --> 02:07:49,880
believe homie I didn't believe in homie

3161
02:07:55,669 --> 02:07:52,500
Homeopathy but I took my dog to the vet

3162
02:07:58,490 --> 02:07:55,679
and he had two

3163
02:08:00,589 --> 02:07:58,500
ligaments that were torn separately and

3164
02:08:03,169 --> 02:08:00,599
the surgery was three thousand dollars

3165
02:08:05,270 --> 02:08:03,179
per leg that was the mainstream

3166
02:08:08,330 --> 02:08:05,280
diagnosis and we went

3167
02:08:10,490 --> 02:08:08,340
to a homeopathic vet she said try this

3168
02:08:13,370 --> 02:08:10,500
it wasn't working and then I waited and

3169
02:08:14,930 --> 02:08:13,380
waited and finally he healed both of

3170
02:08:17,510 --> 02:08:14,940
them separately he both both of his

3171
02:08:19,070 --> 02:08:17,520
tendons or ligaments in his knee healed

3172
02:08:22,790 --> 02:08:19,080
and I can't prove it was the homia

3173
02:08:25,070 --> 02:08:22,800
Homeopathy and medicine and supplements

3174
02:08:26,990 --> 02:08:25,080
she gave us but both of his knees healed

3175
02:08:28,250 --> 02:08:27,000
six thousand dollars not spent on

3176
02:08:31,129 --> 02:08:28,260
surgery he didn't have to go through

3177
02:08:32,450 --> 02:08:31,139
that hell and there were signs that the

3178
02:08:33,410 --> 02:08:32,460
medicine and I'll just show you the

3179
02:08:36,830 --> 02:08:33,420
medicine

3180
02:08:38,990 --> 02:08:36,840
work because

3181
02:08:41,390 --> 02:08:39,000
she gave us I think it was sulfur I'm

3182
02:08:43,729 --> 02:08:41,400
not sure what it was but she gave it to

3183
02:08:45,830 --> 02:08:43,739
us and his knee was bad but it wasn't

3184
02:08:47,510 --> 02:08:45,840
that bad and then we gave it to him we

3185
02:08:48,589 --> 02:08:47,520
gave the medicine the cookie and this is

3186
02:08:53,810 --> 02:08:48,599
it

3187
02:08:55,550 --> 02:08:53,820
was nonsense but now we have to hear and

3188
02:08:56,750 --> 02:08:55,560
Bill talking about the talking about him

3189
02:08:58,910 --> 02:08:56,760
doing it too

3190
02:09:00,770 --> 02:08:58,920
something there's something there and so

3191
02:09:03,530 --> 02:09:00,780
we gave him this medicine the next day

3192
02:09:06,169 --> 02:09:03,540
his knee got so much worse for just no

3193
02:09:08,270 --> 02:09:06,179
reason so you read up and sometimes the

3194
02:09:10,669 --> 02:09:08,280
knee or the ailment will get worse right

3195
02:09:11,870 --> 02:09:10,679
off the bat there's no way and if that's

3196
02:09:13,250 --> 02:09:11,880
really what happened that it wasn't

3197
02:09:14,810 --> 02:09:13,260
something else because I didn't see him

3198
02:09:17,209 --> 02:09:14,820
hurt his knee so only thing that was

3199
02:09:19,850 --> 02:09:17,219
different gave him the medicine his knee

3200
02:09:21,050 --> 02:09:19,860
got worse you could say well cookie

3201
02:09:23,030 --> 02:09:21,060
obviously didn't know he was getting

3202
02:09:25,310 --> 02:09:23,040
medicine so what happened and then he

3203
02:09:27,709 --> 02:09:25,320
progressed progressed progressively got

3204
02:09:29,870 --> 02:09:27,719
better and then he hasn't had any

3205
02:09:32,030 --> 02:09:29,880
problems with his knees since so

3206
02:09:34,430 --> 02:09:32,040
I would recommend a homeopathic doctor

3207
02:09:36,050 --> 02:09:34,440
any day of the week and one thing I'll

3208
02:09:40,310 --> 02:09:36,060
ask Bill

3209
02:09:41,990 --> 02:09:40,320
she wanted to know what what the um

3210
02:09:44,930 --> 02:09:42,000
not the dose but I forget what

3211
02:09:47,149 --> 02:09:44,940
Homeopathy they use them something

3212
02:09:49,669 --> 02:09:47,159
I'll send it to you Bill on her email

3213
02:09:54,470 --> 02:09:49,679
she had a question so

3214
02:09:55,910 --> 02:09:54,480
any more questions let's see

3215
02:09:57,770 --> 02:09:55,920
yeah

3216
02:09:59,570 --> 02:09:57,780
that was a really good interview I wish

3217
02:10:01,430 --> 02:09:59,580
we had a better live audience but it's

3218
02:10:05,270 --> 02:10:01,440
early in the day and and I'll make sure

3219
02:10:10,189 --> 02:10:08,270
and people will watch because it's so

3220
02:10:11,570 --> 02:10:10,199
important and I have a cousin who has a

3221
02:10:13,850 --> 02:10:11,580
dog who's sick

3222
02:10:19,070 --> 02:10:13,860
with cancer and I told her to watch

3223
02:10:22,970 --> 02:10:21,229
Dean and Edgar Mitchell were the reason

3224
02:10:24,709 --> 02:10:22,980
I participated with free as an

3225
02:10:26,870 --> 02:10:24,719
experiencer back in the day yeah that

3226
02:10:29,870 --> 02:10:26,880
that that that

3227
02:10:31,490 --> 02:10:29,880
survey is important although I still

3228
02:10:33,410 --> 02:10:31,500
think

3229
02:10:36,890 --> 02:10:33,420
well you guys know how I I need to do a

3230
02:10:39,410 --> 02:10:36,900
show about my more up-to-date

3231
02:10:40,970 --> 02:10:39,420
thoughts on UFOs which have changed

3232
02:10:43,430 --> 02:10:40,980
dramatic not dramatically certain things

3233
02:10:44,930 --> 02:10:43,440
have changed

3234
02:10:46,550 --> 02:10:44,940
I'd love to hear more about the UFO

3235
02:10:48,589 --> 02:10:46,560
aspects from Dean sometime I don't know

3236
02:10:50,270 --> 02:10:48,599
if Dean talks about UFOs too much I

3237
02:10:51,950 --> 02:10:50,280
don't think he does

3238
02:10:53,330 --> 02:10:51,960
that was superb you did so well Joe

3239
02:10:55,250 --> 02:10:53,340
thank you for this live a brand new

3240
02:10:56,750 --> 02:10:55,260
subject to me and thanks to you yeah

3241
02:10:58,910 --> 02:10:56,760
it's it was new to me a couple of years

3242
02:11:00,830 --> 02:10:58,920
ago thank thanks to Grace who introduced

3243
02:11:03,709 --> 02:11:00,840
me to this work all right guys I'm gonna

3244
02:11:05,270 --> 02:11:03,719
go get a lot of stuff to do thanks for

3245
02:11:06,589 --> 02:11:05,280
watching thanks for the question sorry I

3246
02:11:08,689 --> 02:11:06,599
didn't get to all of them oh there's one

3247
02:11:10,430 --> 02:11:08,699
question somebody asked to replicate

3248
02:11:13,070 --> 02:11:10,440
this in another lab yeah that's that's

3249
02:11:15,290 --> 02:11:13,080
great but the problem is

3250
02:11:17,149 --> 02:11:15,300
somebody said you have two independent

3251
02:11:19,310 --> 02:11:17,159
Labs do the same experiment yeah that'd

3252
02:11:21,950 --> 02:11:19,320
be great but the problem is as Bill said

3253
02:11:24,890 --> 02:11:21,960
some of these experiments they cost 150

3254
02:11:26,510 --> 02:11:24,900
000 to 200 000. so even more so you have

3255
02:11:28,189 --> 02:11:26,520
to find Labs that are interested and

3256
02:11:31,550 --> 02:11:28,199
somebody who's willing to get that money

3257
02:11:33,589 --> 02:11:31,560
or raise that money not so easy

3258
02:11:35,629 --> 02:11:33,599
um so yeah that's the goal hopefully

3259
02:11:37,850 --> 02:11:35,639
there will be other people interested in